The circular reasoning of Evolution and billions of years believers.

SavedByTheLord said:
God created light and separated it from the darkness on the first day.
Directional light with the earth rotating gives night and day,
It does not say that God then had the light rotate around the earth.
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The Bible says this light existed before the sun was created.

In the real world, daylight comes from the sun.

In the Bible daylight and sunlight are two different things. Daylight comes from God, and was around before the sun was created.

SavedByTheLord said:
The Lord Jesus Christ clearly indicated that there is simultaneously day and night in different parts of the world. At rapture which happens very quickly, it shows night and day simultaneously in different parts of the world.

31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot's wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. - Luke 17:31-36
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It is interesting that Mark and Matthew do not have that text. It is the gentile author, with a pagan education, to write a passage that suggests a round planet.

SavedByTheLord said:
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. - Matt 24:27

The word of God describes that the earth rotates on its axis with the sun causing day as it part is rotated to face the sun
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That verse says Jesus will travel out of the east in a manner analogous to the sun. That is to say, it implies the sun moving across the firmament from east to west. That is to say, it supports my position and refutes yours.

How do you explain the verses that say the stars will fall from the sky? How big are stars, according to the Bible?
 
The Pixie said:
The Bible says this light existed before the sun was created.

In the real world, daylight comes from the sun.

In the Bible daylight and sunlight are two different things. Daylight comes from God, and was around before the sun was created.


It is interesting that Mark and Matthew do not have that text. It is the gentile author, with a pagan education, to write a passage that suggests a round planet.


That verse says Jesus will travel out of the east in a manner analogous to the sun. That is to say, it implies the sun moving across the firmament from east to west. That is to say, it supports my position and refutes yours.

How do you explain the verses that say the stars will fall from the sky? How big are stars, according to the Bible?
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What about the first living creature?
The smallest free-living creature has over 1.3 million base pairs.
Assume 100,000 base pairs for the first living creature, a mere 1/13 of that size.
The odds against that sequence is 8^200,000 to 1 (8 kinds of nucleotides counting handedness and 2 per pair).
That comes to more than 10^180,000 to 1.
Now the proteome would have at least as many aminos as nucleotides since the body of all creatures are really made of proteins.
The odds against all those sequences of amino acids is more than 39^200,000 to 1 or more than 10^320,000 to 1.
The combined odds against it are more than 10^500,000 to 1.
But this was so very generous. Where did all these nucleotides and aminos come from?
Now the total number of atoms in one base pair is 30 and in about 20 in the average amino acid.
So, the total number of atoms in such a first living creature would be greater than that, but that still comes to over 7 million atoms.
Now each atom must be in a certain 3D arrangement with certain elements at each spot. Assume just 100 possibilities per atom.
The odds against that are over 100^7 million to 1 or greater than 10^14 million to 1.
The number of chances maybe 10^250 reduces those odds against to 10^13,999,750 to 1.
That is just absurd.
 
SavedByTheLord said:
What about the first living creature?
The smallest free-living creature has over 1.3 million base pairs.
Assume 100,000 base pairs for the first living creature, a mere 1/13 of that size.
The odds against that sequence is 8^200,000 to 1 (8 kinds of nucleotides counting handedness and 2 per pair).
That comes to more than 10^180,000 to 1.
Now the proteome would have at least as many aminos as nucleotides since the body of all creatures are really made of proteins.
The odds against all those sequences of amino acids is more than 39^200,000 to 1 or more than 10^320,000 to 1.
The combined odds against it are more than 10^500,000 to 1.
But this was so very generous. Where did all these nucleotides and aminos come from?
Now the total number of atoms in one base pair is 30 and in about 20 in the average amino acid.
So, the total number of atoms in such a first living creature would be greater than that, but that still comes to over 7 million atoms.
Now each atom must be in a certain 3D arrangement with certain elements at each spot. Assume just 100 possibilities per atom.
The odds against that are over 100^7 million to 1 or greater than 10^14 million to 1.
The number of chances maybe 10^250 reduces those odds against to 10^13,999,750 to 1.
That is just absurd.
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Thank you for confirming that you have neither answer nor evidence. Your claim that the Bible is valid as science is emphatically refuted.
 
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