The Oneness of God in the ECHAD

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Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
the ECHAD of God is already identified. for this term "Beginning" is the Hebrew word, H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit
.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

God as the ECHAD or the Plurality of himself is spelled out in the first verse here in Genesis, God's plurality is in Ordinal Designation of FIRST and LAST in PLACE, TIME, ORDER, OR RANK. Ordinal Designation shows "POSITION", position where? in PLACE, TIME, ORDER, OR RANK just as the term "Beginning" states.

so, here in the beginning of CREATION, God in his plurality is designated as "FIRST" in the ECHAD, and he is also titled "Father as the root of this word suggest.
H7218 רֹאשׁ ro'sh (roshe) n-m.
the head (as most easily shaken), whether literal or figurative (in many applications, of place, time, rank, itc.).
[from an unused root apparently meaning to shake]
KJV: band, beginning, captain, chapiter, chief(-est place, man, things), company, end, X every (man), excellent, first, forefront, (be-)head, height, (on) high(-est part, (priest)), X lead, X poor, principal, ruler, sum, top.

as head/title Father, he is CREATOR, and MAKER of ALL THINGS.

Now Deuteronomy 6:4 confirms this headship, title Father, and ORDER in POSITION as First, the Ordinal First. "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
Many miss the understanding here. not ONE God but God who is ONE "LORD"...... (smile). for this term ONE identifies the LORD as the Ordinal First because he CREATED and MADE ALL THINGS.
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258

Definition #2. the title LORD shows the Ordinal Position of "FIRST"/Father. with this blueprint one can spiritually lay out or complete the foundation that the Ordinal Position of LAST is the Son. (And the Son is the builder of his OWN HLOUSE, which is to come). this is the same one person in the dispensation of PLACE, TIME, ORDER, OR RANK. and this foundation is God who is ONE person, in the ECHAD of First & Last in PLACE, TIME, ORDER, OR RANK. supportive Scriptures,

A. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."

B. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

C. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."

this ECHAD is made possible in the SHARING of God himself in PLACE, TIME, ORDER, OR RANK. Now that the Foundation is Laid, one can go to work on building the house.

PICJAG, 101G.

PS, all of the above definitions was from the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
 
step #2. "TIME". God is a plurality of "ONE" or the ECHAD of ONE EQUAL SHARE in the OT, in the Beginning. let's see it. God in Genesis 1:1
God: H430 אֱלֹהִים 'elohiym (el-o-heem') n-m.
אֱלֹהֵי 'elohiy (el-o-hee') [alternate plural]
1. (literally) supreme ones.
2. (hence, in the ordinary sense) gods.
3. (specifically, in the plural, especially with the article) the Supreme God (i.e. the all supreme).
4. (sometimes) supreme, used as a superlative.
5. (occasionally, by way of deference) supreme magistrates, the highest magistrates of the land.
6. (also) the supreme angels (entities of unspecified type).
[plural of H433]
KJV: angels, X exceeding, God (gods)(-dess, -ly), X (very) great, judges, X mighty.
Root(s): H433
Compare: H5945, H7706, H8199, H4397

the plural of, of, of, and NOT "From", but of H433. the definition of "OF". expressing the relationship between a part and a whole: and according to Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words "OF": translates the genitive case of nouns, with various shades of meaning. Of these the subjective and objective are mentioned here, which need careful distinction.

The Subjective, the Abstract, "Spirit", title Father. the Ordinal First, "LORD". without Body, without BLOOD

Objective, concrete, MAN, title Son, the Ordinal Last, "Lord". with a body and Blood.

let's see the WHOLE,
H433 אֱלוֹהַּ 'elowahh (el-o'-ah) n-m.
אֱלֹהַּ 'eloahh (el-o'-ah) [shortened (rarely)]
1. one with supreme strength and ability.
2. the Supreme Being, God the Creator, Yahweh by name.

3. a supreme entity, a god-like creature (that is, one of God's supreme creations, or one of man's inventions).
[probably prolonged (emphat.) from H410]
KJV: God, god.
Root(s): H410

here one is the "yachid", (in PERSON), and of it come the ECHAD of "ONE" Person in the "EQUAL SHARE of himself, in PLACE, TIME, ORDER. or RANK.

JESUS is the only GOD who is the LORD, OT who CREATED and MADE all things. and Jesus is God who came in the fulness of "TIME" to REDEEM and SAVE all that he MADE and CREATED as the Ordinal First/Father.
 
Step #3 the NT. John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." as in Genesis 1:1 so like wise here the term "Beginning" Identifies God in the "END", or LAST/Ordinal Last in this Old Cfreation,
Beginning" it's the Greek word,
G746 ἀρχή arche (ar-chee') n.
1. (properly abstract) a commencement.
2. (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank).
[from G756]
KJV: beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule
Root(s): G756

here the Ordinal Last of the ECHAD is manifested in Flesh as the Figure to Come or as said, a commencement. supportive scripture. Romans 5:14 "Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come." another, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,"Galatians 4:5 "To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons." and one more. Isaiah 35:4 "Say to them that are of a fearful heart, Be strong, fear not: behold, your God will come with vengeance, even God with a recompence; he will come and save you."

question? "WHO CAME?" ..... God. don't forget that.

God, who is Spirit, is abstract, bnut definition #2 states this word who is God, 1:1c is concrete, in order, time, place, or rank. God now is with us in Flesh and blood. Please Note, the Ordinal Last is with US. the REDEEMER, and SAVIOUR.

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Now that we have the building foundation in place we can discuss intelligently.

In ordinal designation Jesus the Christ was not the CREATOR and MAKER of ALL THINGS in the beginning at Genesis, that's why he said in Matthews 19:4 that "HE" God the First, the Ordinal First Made all things. and not him as the Ordinal Last, because ordinal shows Position in TIME PLACE ORDER, or RANK. BINGO. so the Lord Jesus is correct in saying "he" the Ordinal First as Spirit without a body MADE ALL THINGS. for Genesis 1:27 right after 1:26 proves this out.

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the "LIFE" God gave or laid down.

Hebrews 2:14 "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;" Hebrews 2:15 "And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage." Hebrews 2:16 "For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham." Hebrews 2:17 "Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people."

God, the Ordinal Last "TOOK PART", and was NOT a "Partaker" in our Humanity. hence, he has blood in the body that was birthed. and that PERFECT "BLOOD" is the LIFE he, God, gave. supportive scripture, Leviticus 17:11 "For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul."

THIS IS THE "LIFE" he laid down or Gave on the cross BLOOD. and what died is the body/Flesh. scripture, James 2:26 "For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also."

this is why the forsaking on the cross took place.

Oh, this is just 2 easy.

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Step #4, the NEW CREATION. the Amalgamation of the First and the Last

Colossians 1:17 "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Colossians 1:18 "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."
this term preeminence is the Greek word, G4409 πρωτεύω proteuo (prō-tev'-ō) v.
to be first (in rank or influence).
[from G4413]
KJV: have the preeminence
Root(s): G4413

this definition tells us all that he is the HEAD, or the Father of his Church, for the root of this word confirm this
G4413 πρῶτος protos (prō'-tos) adj.
foremost (in time, place, order or importance).
[contracted superlative of G4253]
KJV: before, beginning, best, chief(-est), first (of all), former
Root(s): G4253

First indicate "FATHER". he is the First born, (Spiritually, Raised from the DEAD), in the NEW CREATION.

and in the New Creation his now Glorified new resurrected Body is in Amalgamation with his own Spirit. this is he who Sits on the throne, and also STAND before it. he is "LORD", Spirit, and "Lord" in Glorified Flesh and bone, no blood. not two person, but only One person shared in the ECHAD.

understanding the ECHAD from the beginning, fills in all the hard question about God. if willing, we will try to answer these question.

PICJAG, 101G.
 
Step #4, the NEW CREATION. the Amalgamation of the First and the Last

Colossians 1:17 "And he is before all things, and by him all things consist." Colossians 1:18 "And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence."
this term preeminence is the Greek word, G4409 πρωτεύω proteuo (prō-tev'-ō) v.
to be first (in rank or influence).
[from G4413]
KJV: have the preeminence
Root(s): G4413

this definition tells us all that he is the HEAD, or the Father of his Church, for the root of this word confirm this
G4413 πρῶτος protos (prō'-tos) adj.
foremost (in time, place, order or importance).
[contracted superlative of G4253]
KJV: before, beginning, best, chief(-est), first (of all), former
Root(s): G4253

First indicate "FATHER". he is the First born, (Spiritually, Raised from the DEAD), in the NEW CREATION.

and in the New Creation his now Glorified new resurrected Body is in Amalgamation with his own Spirit. this is he who Sits on the throne, and also STAND before it. he is "LORD", Spirit, and "Lord" in Glorified Flesh and bone, no blood. not two person, but only One person shared in the ECHAD.

understanding the ECHAD from the beginning, fills in all the hard question about God. if willing, we will try to answer these question.

PICJAG, 101G.
In regards to humanity Jesus is the first and the last as the son of God and the son of man. In Luke's genealogy we have Jesus as the son of God before Adam. However, since Jesus is the first born of creation but came into humanity as the son of man and died and rose again the old Adam is dead with Christ in his death and we have a new spiritual man in Christ and Christ is first in preeminence. The Adam that comes from the dust returns beck to the dust and is replaced in the second Adam in Christ. Yet we do have the first Adam but it is Christ and Christ is the Son of God. However, in regards to the ECHAD Jesues is is the one Lord of the scriptures who we see God in a Father and Son relationship. Thus, Jesus is the Lord God who is the first and last and the beginning and end and has all preeminence.

Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Col 2:10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

Col 2:11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

God bless you. :)
 
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Let's see this ECHAD of God in the NT.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Just as Psalms 110: & 5 makes it very clear that the Lord Jesus is God the Ordinal LAST. also, do John 1:1. in the beginning, was the Word, (but not yet MANAFESTED), meaning still in spirit. supportive scripture, John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." here bosom simply means "the Spirit not yet revealed", the Word is Spirit. because Bosom indicate this, example, Ecclesiastes 7:9 "Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools." here bosom is thew Hebrew word, H2436 חֵיק cheyq (chake) n-m.
חֵק cheq (chake)
חוֹק chowq (choke)
the bosom (literally or figuratively).
[from an unused root, apparently meaning to inclose]
KJV: bosom, bottom, lap, midst, within.

the KJV can translate the word as "within", and within when used as a Adjective Existing within the mind, soul or spirit, and often not expressed. means, hidden, concealed, unrevealed, or LISTEN, unexpressed. did not the Lord Jesus said, "the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." and the term DECLEARED when used as an Adjective, means to clearly expressed or identified. and the Word here in John 1:1 IDENTIFY who "GOD" is. because John 1:1c states, "and the Word was God". why was? because of his G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') in flesh as or in LIKENESS of a man he is without his divine powers as the Ordinal Last. but regained when his mission was complete, (per John 17:5).

John 1:1 clearly identifies God in flesh as the LAST ADAM, meaning the Ordinal Last. which is the clear revealing of the ECHAD of FIRST and LADST, as exactly who the Lord Jesus is in Revelation. but in Flesh in the NT, he is the EXPRESSED Image/Revealing of God manifested in flesh. scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

expressed Image of ... HIS PERSON, and expressed means "EXACT", or the same one person.

next time the same one person revealed in the TERM.... "WITH" .... in John 1:1.

PICJAG, 101G.
 
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Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
the ECHAD of God is already identified. for this term "Beginning" is the Hebrew word, H7225 רֵאשִׁית re'shiyth (ray-sheeth') n-f.
1. the first, in place, time, order or rank.
2. (specifically) a firstfruit
.
[from the same as H7218]
KJV: beginning, chief(-est), first(-fruits, part, time), principal thing.
Root(s): H7218

God as the ECHAD or the Plurality of himself is spelled out in the first verse here in Genesis, God's plurality is in Ordinal Designation of FIRST and LAST in PLACE, TIME, ORDER, OR RANK. Ordinal Designation shows "POSITION", position where? in PLACE, TIME, ORDER, OR RANK just as the term "Beginning" states.
Why you continue to falsify is amazing. Reshit isn't an ordinal.

so, here in the beginning of CREATION, God in his plurality is designated as "FIRST" in the ECHAD,
Reshit isn't a plural. Another falsehood of yours.

and he is also titled "Father as the root of this word suggest.
H7218 רֹאשׁ ro'sh (roshe) n-m.
the head (as most easily shaken), whether literal or figurative (in many applications, of place, time, rank, itc.).
[from an unused root apparently meaning to shake]
KJV: band, beginning, captain, chapiter, chief(-est place, man, things), company, end, X every (man), excellent, first, forefront, (be-)head, height, (on) high(-est part, (priest)), X lead, X poor, principal, ruler, sum, top.

as head/title Father, he is CREATOR, and MAKER of ALL THINGS.
Yes the Father is Creator of all, even from the womb, which includes Jesus.

Now Deuteronomy 6:4 confirms this headship, title Father, and ORDER in POSITION as First, the Ordinal First. "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:"
No position mentioned here only that God is exclusively one, as in Eccl 4:9-12.

Many miss the understanding here. not ONE God but God who is ONE "LORD"...... (smile). for this term ONE identifies the LORD as the Ordinal First because he CREATED and MADE ALL THINGS.
ONE: H259 אֶחָד 'echad (ech-awd') adj.
1. (properly) united, i.e. one.
2. (as an ordinal) first.
[a numeral from H258]
KJV: a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-)ly, each (one), + eleven, every, few, first, + highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together.
Root(s): H258
Echad as in one, only.

Definition #2. the title LORD shows the Ordinal Position of "FIRST"/Father. with this blueprint one can spiritually lay out or complete the foundation that the Ordinal Position of LAST is the Son.
Absolutely false. There's no mention of a son involved in creation in Tanakh.

(And the Son is the builder of his OWN HLOUSE, which is to come). this is the same one person in the dispensation of PLACE, TIME, ORDER, OR RANK. and this foundation is God who is ONE person, in the ECHAD of First & Last in PLACE, TIME, ORDER, OR RANK. supportive Scriptures,

A. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he."
More garbage from you. Last is plural and couldn't possibly support your position as first would be one, and last would be at least two making a total of three at a minimum. The verse expresses God's eternity throughout all of creation and generations.

B. Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."
Being that Jesus was redeemed as a child, and Jesus acknowledges the Father as God, your argument is dead from the start.

C. Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last."
Yes, only the Father is eternal. Jesus died.

this ECHAD is made possible in the SHARING of God himself in PLACE, TIME, ORDER, OR RANK. Now that the Foundation is Laid, one can go to work on building the house.
Your house fell apart. Rotfl...

PICJAG, 101G.
Pico de Gallo ate em up.

PS, all of the above definitions was from the Mickelson's Enhanced Strong's Dictionaries of the Greek and Hebrew Testaments
Learn to use a dictionary.
 
Let's see this ECHAD of God in the NT.
Just read Eccl 4:9-12 for how ECHAD applies to God.

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1:2 "The same was in the beginning with God." John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made."
Yes, the Father created all through His spoken word.

Just as Psalms 110: & 5 makes it very clear that the Lord Jesus is God the Ordinal LAST. also, do John 1:1.
Far from it. Even Jesus acknowledges he isn't God, John 20:17, Mat 16:17.

in the beginning, was the Word, (but not yet MANAFESTED), meaning still in spirit. supportive scripture, John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
This doesnt say Jesus is God either.

here bosom simply means "the Spirit not yet revealed",
False statement.

the Word is Spirit. because Bosom indicate this, example, Ecclesiastes 7:9 "Be not hasty in thy spirit to be angry: for anger resteth in the bosom of fools." here bosom is thew Hebrew word, H2436 חֵיק cheyq (chake) n-m.
חֵק cheq (chake)
חוֹק chowq (choke)
the bosom (literally or figuratively).
[from an unused root, apparently meaning to inclose]
KJV: bosom, bottom, lap, midst, within.

the KJV can translate the word as "within", and within when used as a Adjective Existing within the mind, soul or spirit, and often not expressed. means, hidden, concealed, unrevealed, or LISTEN, unexpressed. did not the Lord Jesus said, "the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." and the term DECLEARED when used as an Adjective, means to clearly expressed or identified. and the Word here in John 1:1 IDENTIFY who "GOD" is. because John 1:1c states, "and the Word was God". why was? because of his G2758 κενόω kenoo (ke-no-ō') in flesh as or in LIKENESS of a man he is without his divine powers as the Ordinal Last. but regained when his mission was complete, (per John 17:5).
Rotfl...

John 1:1 clearly identifies God in flesh as the LAST ADAM, meaning the Ordinal Last. which is the clear revealing of the ECHAD of FIRST and LADST, as exactly who the Lord Jesus is in Revelation. but in Flesh in the NT, he is the EXPRESSED Image/Revealing of God manifested in flesh.
God's image is in all men. And His glory is throughout creation.

scripture, Hebrews 1:3 "Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;"

expressed Image of ... HIS PERSON, and expressed means "EXACT", or the same one person.
Not same person when Jesus is on earth and God is in heaven.

next time the same one person revealed in the TERM.... "WITH" .... in John 1:1.
Rotfl... you're hysterical ?.

PICJAG, 101G.
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The Word "WITH" God, John 1:1b.

The term with. another word that is synonyms to it when used as a Preposition, in addition to, or as an accessory to, is "behind". and behind used as an Adverb In a position subsequent in time or order, means last in order. And here in John 1:1, it is the Ordinal Last.

Order, just as Beginning here in John 1:1 state,
G746 ἀρχή arche (ar-chee') n.
1. (properly abstract) a commencement.
2. (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank).
[from G756]
KJV: beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule
Root(s): G756

so, the Word here is in the order of THE ORDINAL "LAST". But definition #2, states this ordinal Last is "chief" and chief signify head, or Father, but as the definition states ,,,,, (concretely). translation, the ordinal Last is now made flesh, (and to be complete in the Amalgamation to come of glorified flesh and Spirit, (per John 17:5). and in that glorification, the EVERLASTING FATHER IS TO COME (per Isaiah 9:6). and this action or process of this action is revealed in Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." Philippians 2:9 "Wherefore God, (the ordinal First), also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:" AND THAT NAME IS, “JESUS”.

This term “WITH” God or within God, which is in the bosom of the Father is clearly expressed in the OT scriptures. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." CLEARLY, THE ORDINAL FIRST IS “WITH” THE ORDINAL LAST. Which is the same one person only shared equally … now in flesh, (per Phil 6:2). but let God clearly tell us the understanding of himself being “with” in a plurality of one person. The first is “with” the last in Isaiah 41:4. now hear O Israel, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, there it is. God’s plurality of ONE. And here in John 1:1, as in 1:3 this plurality is clearly seen. For he the LORD who made all things, (Isaiah 44:24), is the same person here in John 1:1, as John 1:3 states MADE ALL THINGS. This is the bible speaking. Read both John 1:3, and Isaiah 44:24 only one PERSON “MADE ALL THINGS”.

PICJAG, 101G.
 
The Word "WITH" God, John 1:1b.

The term with. another word that is synonyms to it when used as a Preposition, in addition to, or as an accessory to, is "behind". and behind used as an Adverb In a position subsequent in time or order, means last in order. And here in John 1:1, it is the Ordinal Last.

Order, just as Beginning here in John 1:1 state,
G746 ἀρχή arche (ar-chee') n.
1. (properly abstract) a commencement.
2. (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank).
[from G756]
KJV: beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule
Root(s): G756

so, the Word here is in the order of THE ORDINAL "LAST". But definition #2, states this ordinal Last is "chief" and chief signify head, or Father, but as the definition states ,,,,, (concretely). translation, the ordinal Last is now made flesh, (and to be complete in the Amalgamation to come of glorified flesh and Spirit, (per John 17:5). and in that glorification, the EVERLASTING FATHER IS TO COME (per Isaiah 9:6). and this action or process of this action is revealed in Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." Philippians 2:9 "Wherefore God, (the ordinal First), also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:" AND THAT NAME IS, “JESUS”.

This term “WITH” God or within God, which is in the bosom of the Father is clearly expressed in the OT scriptures. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." CLEARLY, THE ORDINAL FIRST IS “WITH” THE ORDINAL LAST. Which is the same one person only shared equally … now in flesh, (per Phil 6:2). but let God clearly tell us the understanding of himself being “with” in a plurality of one person. The first is “with” the last in Isaiah 41:4. now hear O Israel, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, there it is. God’s plurality of ONE. And here in John 1:1, as in 1:3 this plurality is clearly seen. For he the LORD who made all things, (Isaiah 44:24), is the same person here in John 1:1, as John 1:3 states MADE ALL THINGS. This is the bible speaking. Read both John 1:3, and Isaiah 44:24 only one PERSON “MADE ALL THINGS”.

PICJAG, 101G.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

Greek for the word With:

"
G4314
πρός
pros
pros
A strengthened form of G4253; a preposition of direction; forward to, that is, toward (with the genitive case the side of, that is, pertaining to; with the dative case by the side of, that is, near to; usually with the accusative case the place, time, occasion, or respect, which is the destination of the relation, that is, whither or for which it is predicated): - about, according to, against, among, at, because of, before, between, ([where-]) by, for, X at thy house, in, for intent, nigh unto, of, which pertain to, that, to (the end that), + together, to ([you]) -ward, unto, with (-in). In compounds it denotes essentially the same applications, namely, motion towards, accession to, or nearness at. " Strong

Destination of the relation and thus "towards" or "beside" and Jesus as the Son of God is the express image of God. The picture is a mirror image and we see The Father facing the Son and the Son Facing God. We see the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father. We see the Father and the Son are one. However since God is manifest in the flesh we see the son of man, Yet what do we see in the Son of man but a mirror image of the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father. This is who the son of man pointed to who is the first born of creation. We also see time and place and occasion and respect to. We see first and the last and what that points to in time and place and it is revealed to us in Jesus who is the Messiah.

We have referents to who the Word is in relation and in time and in order:

Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.

The same is relation and the beginning is time and order and we see a mirror image Father and Son. It is awesome!

Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Here we see one singular God creator not two creators and not two Gods!

Joh 1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Again it is a singular one and in relation we see that God was with man and in God is life which is spiritual life. It is this life that man is illuminated with yet man did not comprehend it but it was there. Man could not extinguish it and even Jesus atonement applies to this even from the beginning yet the Son of God and the Father was not made manifest until later which was in the flesh. However, Christ was already at work reconciling man to God.

Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Yes, the rock of their faith was there but what happened to Israel who is to be a showcase to the Gentiles?

Deu 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.


Deu 32:16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.

Deu 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Deu 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

Another referral of the light that was with us:

Joh 1:6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.

Joh 1:7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

Joh 1:8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Yes, the light was there yet the world knew him not!


Joh 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Wow! Even God's called out ones did not know!

To understand the Word in relation, time. and order and in God's oneness is very necessary to our faith in Jesus, the Messiah.

Thus, in the last days we see God manifest in the flesh.
Heb 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,

Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;

Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
It is important that when we see God we see Father and Son and thus "with" as a very special meaning in order, relation, time and space. Thus, God's oneness (EHAD) is revealed!

In conclusion we have these two scriptures that embrace the concept "with": or the Greek word "pros".

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

We are seeing Father and the Son which is the Word manifest in the flesh and is God's oneness and the one in the bosom is declaring God who is Father!

God bless you. :)
 
The Word "WITH" God, John 1:1b.

The term with. another word that is synonyms to it when used as a Preposition, in addition to, or as an accessory to, is "behind". and behind used as an Adverb In a position subsequent in time or order, means last in order. And here in John 1:1, it is the Ordinal Last.

Order, just as Beginning here in John 1:1 state,
G746 ἀρχή arche (ar-chee') n.
1. (properly abstract) a commencement.
2. (concretely) chief (in various applications of order, time, place, or rank).
[from G756]
KJV: beginning, corner, (at the, the) first (estate), magistrate, power, principality, principle, rule
Root(s): G756

so, the Word here is in the order of THE ORDINAL "LAST". But definition #2, states this ordinal Last is "chief" and chief signify head, or Father, but as the definition states ,,,,, (concretely). translation, the ordinal Last is now made flesh, (and to be complete in the Amalgamation to come of glorified flesh and Spirit, (per John 17:5). and in that glorification, the EVERLASTING FATHER IS TO COME (per Isaiah 9:6). and this action or process of this action is revealed in Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:" Philippians 2:7 "But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:" Philippians 2:8 "And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross." Philippians 2:9 "Wherefore God, (the ordinal First), also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:" AND THAT NAME IS, “JESUS”.

This term “WITH” God or within God, which is in the bosom of the Father is clearly expressed in the OT scriptures. Isaiah 41:4 "Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he." CLEARLY, THE ORDINAL FIRST IS “WITH” THE ORDINAL LAST. Which is the same one person only shared equally … now in flesh, (per Phil 6:2). but let God clearly tell us the understanding of himself being “with” in a plurality of one person. The first is “with” the last in Isaiah 41:4. now hear O Israel, Isaiah 48:12 "Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last." BINGO, there it is. God’s plurality of ONE. And here in John 1:1, as in 1:3 this plurality is clearly seen. For he the LORD who made all things, (Isaiah 44:24), is the same person here in John 1:1, as John 1:3 states MADE ALL THINGS. This is the bible speaking. Read both John 1:3, and Isaiah 44:24 only one PERSON “MADE ALL THINGS”.

PICJAG, 101G.
I love how you arbitrary pick definitions and jump from prepositions to ordinals for no other reason than you're trying to make a fake connection.
 
The Ordinal Last in SALVATION. Water BAPTISM DO SAVES....... (smile). God SAVES.

In order to know that water BAPTISM do SAVE, is to KNOW the Lord Jesus, the Ordinal Last who Blood wash away our sin. so how do Baptism SAVES, because the Lord Jesus is the One who saves?

understand, Salvation is progressive and FULLY assured in FAITH. what do we mean? let's answer.
“The Knowledge of Repentance, for Salvation”
(THE GOVERNOR PARDON)​
Mark 1:4 "John did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."
Matthew 3:5 "Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan," Matthew 3:6 "And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins."

DID ONE SEE IT? "Preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

THE BLUEPRINT TO SALVATION OF THE NT IS GIVEN
Question why was the People confessing their sins? answer, because confessing sins are for the Righteous, or those who are SAVED, and not for sinners. in the NT, God never requires a sinner to confess their sins in order to be saved, NO, the only requirement God ask of sinners is to confess his Son Jesus in Order to be saved.

how does, and what role water baptism play in SALVATION?

Water baptism is the Record of one's PARDON in obedience to the FAITH. let's get the root of this understanding first, then we will know the proper use of water baptism.

The prophecy of Zacharias, both of Christ and John
Luke 1:67 "And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying," Luke 1:68 "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people," Luke 1:69 "And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;" Luke 1:70 "As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:" Luke 1:71 "That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;" . Luke 1:72 "To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;" (READ THAT AGAIN, and take note of the term PROMISE) Luke 1:73 "The oath which he sware to our father Abraham," Luke 1:74 "That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear," Luke 1:75 "In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life."

HOLD IT "GRANT unto us", a PROMISE? keep this in mind.

OF John
Luke 1:76 "And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;" Luke 1:77 "To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,"
Luke 1:78 "Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us," Luke 1:79 "To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace." Luke 1:80 "And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel."

what did Zacharias say? "To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins".
what was that KNOWLEDGE given?


Listen carefully to John.
Matthew 3:11 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

water baptism is REPENTANCE ........ for, for, for, the remmission of sins. let's see it .... Mark 1:4 "John did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

Repent: 1. feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin: 2. view or think of (an action or omission) with deep regret or remorse.
Repent: G3340 μετανοέω metanoeo (me-ta-no-e'-ō) v.
1. to have a change of mind and heart, i.e. to reconsider and relent.
2. (morally) to have remorse and repent.
[from G3326 and G3539]
KJV: repent

To express remorse or regret, in order to get one's sin removes or remiss, (as David said, "Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee"). the KNOWLEDGE to clean one's heart, or conscience is to ask for a pardon, why so that one's sins, or crimes can be washed away, (clean),it's called the fulfillment of righteousness. let's see it.

“John baptizes Christ in Jordan”​
Matthew 3:13 "Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him."
14 "But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?"
15 "And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him."
16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"
17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Fulfill: bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize (something desired, promised, or predicted).
Completion:the action or process of finishing something.

Remission: the cancellation of a debt, charge, or penalty:

remember we told you to keep some terms in mind. GRANT and PROMISE. fulfilled is the promise given in Baptism, listen, Luke 1:72 "To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;"

what was in the Holy Covenant to be remembered? let's see, Jeremiah 31:31 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:" Jeremiah 31:32 "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:" Jeremiah 31:33 "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

well how do one forgive iniquity, and REMEMBER sin no more? answer, by a PARDON.

so how do Water Baptism come into play with our salvation?

Mark 1:4 "John did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." as said, Salvation is progressive, one needs a pardon in order for one sin to be wash away, because there is nothing we can do to work to be saved. supportive scripture, Acts 3:19 "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;"
what to blotted out means? it is the Greek word,
G1813 ἐξαλείφω exaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v.
1. to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase.
2. (figuratively) to pardon sin.
[from G1537 and G218]
KJV: blot out, wipe away

BINGO there is the revelation "pardon" and without the pardon one's sin cannot be remitted with the Blood of Christ. so, how do one Get a PARDON? and remember the Lord Jesus is the "Governor", and Governors do give Pardons.

next time, the Ordinal Last, (GOD), the Governor, the REDEEMER, and SAVIOUR of ALL THINGS, will let us KOW how to GET a PARDON for OUR Sins,

Who say Baptism don't saves.... :cool: till next time.

PS, just a taste of what to expect next time..... LISTEN CAREFULLY, Mark 16:15 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

for all of U who say, "U don't need to be baptized in water anymore"..... ok, just don;t get baptized in water and see waht will happen .. :eek: YIKES!

UNTILL NEXT TIME.

PICJAG, 101G.
 
The Ordinal Last in SALVATION. Water BAPTISM DO SAVES....... (smile). God SAVES.

In order to know that water BAPTISM do SAVE, is to KNOW the Lord Jesus, the Ordinal Last who Blood wash away our sin. so how do Baptism SAVES, because the Lord Jesus is the One who saves?

understand, Salvation is progressive and FULLY assured in FAITH. what do we mean? let's answer.
“The Knowledge of Repentance, for Salvation”
(THE GOVERNOR PARDON)​
Mark 1:4 "John did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."
Matthew 3:5 "Then went out to him Jerusalem, and all Judaea, and all the region round about Jordan," Matthew 3:6 "And were baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins."

DID ONE SEE IT? "Preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

THE BLUEPRINT TO SALVATION OF THE NT IS GIVEN
Question why was the People confessing their sins? answer, because confessing sins are for the Righteous, or those who are SAVED, and not for sinners. in the NT, God never requires a sinner to confess their sins in order to be saved, NO, the only requirement God ask of sinners is to confess his Son Jesus in Order to be saved.

how does, and what role water baptism play in SALVATION?

Water baptism is the Record of one's PARDON in obedience to the FAITH. let's get the root of this understanding first, then we will know the proper use of water baptism.

The prophecy of Zacharias, both of Christ and John
Luke 1:67 "And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying," Luke 1:68 "Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people," Luke 1:69 "And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;" Luke 1:70 "As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:" Luke 1:71 "That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;" . Luke 1:72 "To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;" (READ THAT AGAIN, and take note of the term PROMISE) Luke 1:73 "The oath which he sware to our father Abraham," Luke 1:74 "That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear," Luke 1:75 "In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life."

HOLD IT "GRANT unto us", a PROMISE? keep this in mind.

OF John
Luke 1:76 "And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;" Luke 1:77 "To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,"
Luke 1:78 "Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us," Luke 1:79 "To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace." Luke 1:80 "And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, and was in the deserts till the day of his shewing unto Israel."

what did Zacharias say? "To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins".
what was that KNOWLEDGE given?


Listen carefully to John.
Matthew 3:11 "I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:"

water baptism is REPENTANCE ........ for, for, for, the remmission of sins. let's see it .... Mark 1:4 "John did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins."

Repent: 1. feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin: 2. view or think of (an action or omission) with deep regret or remorse.
Repent: G3340 μετανοέω metanoeo (me-ta-no-e'-ō) v.
1. to have a change of mind and heart, i.e. to reconsider and relent.
2. (morally) to have remorse and repent.
[from G3326 and G3539]
KJV: repent

To express remorse or regret, in order to get one's sin removes or remiss, (as David said, "Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit. Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee"). the KNOWLEDGE to clean one's heart, or conscience is to ask for a pardon, why so that one's sins, or crimes can be washed away, (clean),it's called the fulfillment of righteousness. let's see it.

“John baptizes Christ in Jordan”​
Matthew 3:13 "Then cometh Jesus from Galilee to Jordan unto John, to be baptized of him."
14 "But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?"
15 "And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him."
16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:"
17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."

Fulfill: bring to completion or reality; achieve or realize (something desired, promised, or predicted).
Completion:the action or process of finishing something.

Remission: the cancellation of a debt, charge, or penalty:

remember we told you to keep some terms in mind. GRANT and PROMISE. fulfilled is the promise given in Baptism, listen, Luke 1:72 "To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;"

what was in the Holy Covenant to be remembered? let's see, Jeremiah 31:31 "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:" Jeremiah 31:32 "Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:" Jeremiah 31:33 "But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people." Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

well how do one forgive iniquity, and REMEMBER sin no more? answer, by a PARDON.

so how do Water Baptism come into play with our salvation?

Mark 1:4 "John did baptize in the wilderness and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins." as said, Salvation is progressive, one needs a pardon in order for one sin to be wash away, because there is nothing we can do to work to be saved. supportive scripture, Acts 3:19 "Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;"
what to blotted out means? it is the Greek word,
G1813 ἐξαλείφω exaleipho (ex-a-lei'-fō) v.
1. to rub out, i.e. obliterate, erase.
2. (figuratively) to pardon sin.
[from G1537 and G218]
KJV: blot out, wipe away

BINGO there is the revelation "pardon" and without the pardon one's sin cannot be remitted with the Blood of Christ. so, how do one Get a PARDON? and remember the Lord Jesus is the "Governor", and Governors do give Pardons.

next time, the Ordinal Last, (GOD), the Governor, the REDEEMER, and SAVIOUR of ALL THINGS, will let us KOW how to GET a PARDON for OUR Sins,

Who say Baptism don't saves.... :cool: till next time.

PS, just a taste of what to expect next time..... LISTEN CAREFULLY, Mark 16:15 "And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature." Mark 16:16 "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."

for all of U who say, "U don't need to be baptized in water anymore"..... ok, just don;t get baptized in water and see waht will happen .. :eek: YIKES!

UNTILL NEXT TIME.

PICJAG, 101G.
Rotfl.... your ordinal, diversified nonsense has been debunked. Why do you continue with this dribble?

BTW, Jesus didn't fulfill all righteousness by himself. He had at least 3 commandments fulfilled on his behalf - circumcision, redemption, and consecration. So, his parents righteousness is credited to Jesus. Isn't that interesting? ;)
 
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