TRINITY EVIDENCE FALSE

[Runningman]

No one who believes in Jesus is allowed to believe in the trinity doctrine.
They are not allowed to even think beyond what is written in the new testament. Their not allowed to add one thing to the scriptures or take one thing away from the scriptures.

I would add that most are probably not willingly nor dishonestly trying to simultaneously error in their beliefs. The majority are ignorant, blind, followers who grew up being brainwashed or later joined a church and got duped into false doctrines.

That’s why when we show someone Jesus isn’t God, the lifecycle of their reaction begins in its infancy usually with skepticism, it grows into unbelief, and matures into rebellion; it's virtually identical to that of an atheists. By the mere act of telling people what the Bible says, it often creates hardened, truth resistant, Trinitarians who continue to devise more and more ways to cling to their idol while at the same time attaching it to the Bible.

Trying to reach people with the truth who subconsciously hate the truth has proven, by and large, unfruitful. What we see from the gospels is that Jesus reached the people with love, compassion, patience, and tenderheartedness. We can reach people by going the extra mile with them, giving them what they need, feeding them, visiting them, and healing them when they are sick.

This is why these things are so important. People don't care about if you have the truth or not, they only care about what they can get from you. When they get what they need they can love you after that. If they love you they will want the truth you have.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

No one who believes in Jesus is allowed to believe in the trinity doctrine.
They are not allowed to even think beyond what is written in the new testament. Their not allowed to add one thing to the scriptures or take one thing away from the scriptures.

We are not thinking beyond what it written with respect to the Trinity. How about dealng with the Trinity as opposed to just pretending the Trinity was wrong or added to Scripture?

[1Co 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

[Rev 22:18-19
18 For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.

Clearly you didn't bother to read how you are abusing these passages, blaspheming God's Word as you put it. Revelation 22 is about adding to or taking away from the book of Revelation. Therefore, there literally can be no application at all to the condemnation of expressing the teachings of Scripture in one's own words. With respect to 1 Corinthians 4:6, you are right that one should not go beyond what is written. What you haven't shown is that we did go beyond what is written. My understanding of the Trinity is literally no different than the paragraph you opened this post writing. You are putting what you think Scripture says in your own words as to convey a point. That's what we are doing. Unless you can show where I made a mistake summarizing what Scripture teaches, I'm not going beyond what is written. On the other hand, it does seem like you went beyond what was written in Revelation 22:18-19.

God Bless

 

[Squeaky]

I would add that most are probably not willingly nor dishonestly trying to simultaneously error in their beliefs. The majority are ignorant, blind, followers who grew up being brainwashed or later joined a church and got duped into false doctrines.

That’s why when we show someone Jesus isn’t God, the lifecycle of their reaction begins in its infancy usually with skepticism, it grows into unbelief, and matures into rebellion; it's virtually identical to that of an atheists. By the mere act of telling people what the Bible says, it often creates hardened, truth resistant, Trinitarians who continue to devise more and more ways to cling to their idol while at the same time attaching it to the Bible.

Trying to reach people with the truth who subconsciously hate the truth has proven, by and large, unfruitful. What we see from the gospels is that Jesus reached the people with love, compassion, patience, and tenderheartedness. We can reach people by going the extra mile with them, giving them what they need, feeding them, visiting them, and healing them when they are sick.

This is why these things are so important. People don't care about if you have the truth or not, they only care about what they can get from you. When they get what they need they can love you after that. If they love you they will want the truth you have.

Well I'll have to take that as your opinion.

 

[Squeaky]

We are not thinking beyond what it written with respect to the Trinity. How about dealng with the Trinity as opposed to just pretending the Trinity was wrong or added to Scripture?



Clearly you didn't bother to read how you are abusing these passages, blaspheming God's Word as you put it. Revelation 22 is about adding to or taking away from the book of Revelation. Therefore, there literally can be no application at all to the condemnation of expressing the teachings of Scripture in one's own words. With respect to 1 Corinthians 4:6, you are right that one should not go beyond what is written. What you haven't shown is that we did go beyond what is written. My understanding of the Trinity is literally no different than the paragraph you opened this post writing. You are putting what you think Scripture says in your own words as to convey a point. That's what we are doing. Unless you can show where I made a mistake summarizing what Scripture teaches, I'm not going beyond what is written. On the other hand, it does seem like you went beyond what was written in Revelation 22:18-19.

God Bless

People have tried to shove that idea down my throat before.they as well as you are wrong.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

People have tried to shove that idea down my throat before.they as well as you are wrong.

Like how you are trying to shove your theology down my throat above without a meaningful comment from Scripture on the topic?

Scripture teaches

1. There is only one God. (Deut 6:4; Isaiah 43:10; etc.)
2. The Father is that one God. (John 17:3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; etc.)
3. The Son is that one God. (John 1:1-18; Hebrews 1:8-12; Titus 2:13; 2 Peter 1:1; etc.)
4. The Holy Spirit is that one God. (Acts 5:3-4)
5. The Father, Son and Spirit are eternally relationally distinct. (John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14; etc.)

We call the recognition of all of these Scriptural teaching the name Trinity. When are you going to interact with what Scripture actually teaches?

God Bless

 

[Squeaky]

HOLY SPIRIT
FRUITS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
Rev 2:29 (MILK & MEAT)
29 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches."'
[Eph 4:4
[4] [There is] one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling;
[3] endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.
2 Tim 1:7
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.
Phil 1:9-11
9 And this I pray, that your love may abound still more and more in knowledge and all discernment,
10 that you may approve the things that are excellent, that you may be sincere and without offense till the day of Christ,
11 being filled with the fruits of righteousness which are by Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.
2 Cor 9:10
10 Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, supply and multiply the seed you have sown and increase the fruits of your righteousness,
1 Cor 14:20
20 Brethren, do not be children in understanding; however, in malice be babes, but in understanding be mature.
Matt 3:8
8 "Therefore bear fruits worthy of repentance,
Col 1:5-6
5 because of the hope which is laid up for you in heaven, of which you heard before in the word of the truth of the gospel,
6 which has come to you, as it has also in all the world, and is bringing forth fruit, as it is also among you since the day you heard and knew the grace of God in truth;
Gal 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law.

GIFTS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (MILK)
1 Cor 12:4-11
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord.
6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all.
7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all:
8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit,
9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit,
10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.
11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.
[1Co 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
1 Cor 13:8-13
8 Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.
9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.
10 But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away.
11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child; but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
13 And now abide faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love.
1 Cor 14:20
20 Brethren, do not be children in understanding; however, in malice be babes, but in understanding be mature.
Heb 5:12-14
12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food.
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
John 15:26
26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.
(NKJ)
VOICE OF THE HOLY SPIRIT (MEAT)
John 16:13-14
13 "However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.
14 "He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you.
2 Cor 5:5
5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
Rom 14:17
17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
James 2:26
26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James 3:17
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
1 Cor 14:7-8
7 Even things without life, whether flute or harp, when they make a sound, unless they make a distinction in the sounds, how will it be known what is piped or played?
8 For if the trumpet makes an uncertain sound, who will prepare himself for battle?
1 Cor 14:10-12
10 There are, it may be, so many kinds of languages in the world, and none of them is without significance.
11 Therefore, if I do not know the meaning of the language, I shall be a foreigner to him who speaks, and he who speaks will be a foreigner to me.
12 Even so you, since you are zealous for spiritual gifts, let it be for the edification of the church that you seek to excel.
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
Gal 5:17-18
17 For the flesh lusts against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh; and these are contrary to one another, so that you do not do the things that you wish.
18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.
John 14:26
26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
James 3:17
17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, willing to yield, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality and without hypocrisy.
[1Co 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.

xxxThe milk is about 3 to 4 years long, and in that time you should know that the Holy Spirit is in you. There are 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit and you will receive one or more of them gifts as evidence that the Holy Spirit is in you. Then when you are sure, the Holy Spirit will take you into the meat of the Word one verse at a time. You should know what love is by this time. The milk took you to love and the Holy Spirit. Now the Holy Spirit will lead you with that love as the first step in the meat. And the Holy Spirit will lead you inside yourself with that love, to crucify the flesh(feelings & emotions)(unclean spirits). And this should last for atleast 11 years. Holy Spirit is an angel sent by God with the authority of God. Spirit Of God means sent by God with the authority of God



Heb 5:13-14
13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe.
14 But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
(NKJ)

Gal 1:18
18 Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and remained with him fifteen days.
(NKJ)

Gal 2:1-2

1 Then after fourteen years I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, and also took Titus with me.
2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated to them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to those who were of reputation, lest by any means I might run, or had run, in vain.
(NKJ)


John 15:26
26 "But when the Helper comes, whom I shall send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify of Me.
(NKJ)

Rev 1:1

1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants-- things which must shortly take place. And He sent and signified it by His angel to His servant John,
(NKJ)


GO TO HIDDEN LANGUAGE Walking after the Holy Spirit

 

[Binyawmene]

Deity-Divinity

I have seen these words used in so many different contexts, that I had to go to the library and look in the big dictionary.

What does "Deity of Christ" mean? The Deity of Christ is an essential and non-negotiable doctrine within Christianity. The Greek word Θεότητος (or theotés) is mention one time in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament, which is in reference to the Son. And that is found in Colossians 2:9 "...πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς." Now if you take the Greek word theotés, the theo means "God" and tes means "quality." The tes is the same concept as our English suffixes such as [-ship, -ness, or -hood], or the personal subject has the quality of "Godship, Godness, Godhood, and also as "Godhead." So theotes is define as "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness" -- all things, everything that belongs to the Divine Nature, including the attributes, etc. or anything that expresses the quality of Godness "in bodily form," or "in the flesh."

Christ C has quality Q.
For any x, if x has quality Q, then x is Deity.
C is Deity.

The Deity of Christ is part of the application of both Trinity and the Hypostatic Union doctrines. In the Trinity doctrine, the basis for the Deity of Christ is refer to the Son alone who is distinct from the Father and co-equal with the Father. A Trinitarian identifies the Deity of Christ by making parallels between the Son's godness qualities and the Father who is established as God. While in the Hypostatic Union, the parallel is between both Deity and Humanity. The Greek word ἴσον (isos) or equal is mentioned eight times in the New Testament, and two times in reference to the Son (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6). For example, "only God our Savior" (Jude 25) is in reference to the Father, and "our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1) is in reference to the Son. The Son is being on the same value level equally with the Father. Because the Son possesses those godness qualities that the Father alone possesses as being "God" and "Savior."

 

[Runningman]

What does "Deity of Christ" mean? The Deity of Christ is an essential and non-negotiable doctrine within Christianity. The Greek word Θεότητος (or theotés) is mention one time in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament, which is in reference to the Son. And that is found in Colossians 2:9 "...πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς." Now if you take the Greek word theotés, the theo means "God" and tes means "quality." The tes is the same concept as our English suffixes such as [-ship, -ness, or -hood], or the personal subject has the quality of "Godship, Godness, Godhood, and also as "Godhead." So theotes is define as "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness" -- all things, everything that belongs to the Divine Nature, including the attributes, etc. or anything that expresses the quality of Godness "in bodily form," or "in the flesh."

Christ C has quality Q.
For any x, if x has quality Q, then x is Deity.
C is Deity.

The Deity of Christ is part of the application of both Trinity and the Hypostatic Union doctrines. In the Trinity doctrine, the basis for the Deity of Christ is refer to the Son alone who is distinct from the Father and co-equal with the Father. A Trinitarian identifies the Deity of Christ by making parallels between the Son's godness qualities and the Father who is established as God. While in the Hypostatic Union, the parallel is between both Deity and Humanity. The Greek word ἴσον (isos) or equal is mentioned eight times in the New Testament, and two times in reference to the Son (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6). For example, "only God our Savior" (Jude 25) is in reference to the Father, and "our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1) is in reference to the Son. The Son is being on the same value level equally with the Father. Because the Son possesses those godness qualities that the Father alone possesses as being "God" and "Savior."

Who or what is the sacrifice for sins in your religion? If Jesus is a god man then who or what was sacrificed for you?

 

[Squeaky]

I would add that most are probably not willingly nor dishonestly trying to simultaneously error in their beliefs. The majority are ignorant, blind, followers who grew up being brainwashed or later joined a church and got duped into false doctrines.

That’s why when we show someone Jesus isn’t God, the lifecycle of their reaction begins in its infancy usually with skepticism, it grows into unbelief, and matures into rebellion; it's virtually identical to that of an atheists. By the mere act of telling people what the Bible says, it often creates hardened, truth resistant, Trinitarians who continue to devise more and more ways to cling to their idol while at the same time attaching it to the Bible.

Trying to reach people with the truth who subconsciously hate the truth has proven, by and large, unfruitful. What we see from the gospels is that Jesus reached the people with love, compassion, patience, and tenderheartedness. We can reach people by going the extra mile with them, giving them what they need, feeding them, visiting them, and healing them when they are sick.

This is why these things are so important. People don't care about if you have the truth or not, they only care about what they can get from you. When they get what they need they can love you after that. If they love you they will want the truth you have.

You seem to have pretty good insight.

 

[Squeaky]

What does "Deity of Christ" mean? The Deity of Christ is an essential and non-negotiable doctrine within Christianity. The Greek word Θεότητος (or theotés) is mention one time in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament, which is in reference to the Son. And that is found in Colossians 2:9 "...πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς." Now if you take the Greek word theotés, the theo means "God" and tes means "quality." The tes is the same concept as our English suffixes such as [-ship, -ness, or -hood], or the personal subject has the quality of "Godship, Godness, Godhood, and also as "Godhead." So theotes is define as "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness" -- all things, everything that belongs to the Divine Nature, including the attributes, etc. or anything that expresses the quality of Godness "in bodily form," or "in the flesh."

Christ C has quality Q.
For any x, if x has quality Q, then x is Deity.
C is Deity.

The Deity of Christ is part of the application of both Trinity and the Hypostatic Union doctrines. In the Trinity doctrine, the basis for the Deity of Christ is refer to the Son alone who is distinct from the Father and co-equal with the Father. A Trinitarian identifies the Deity of Christ by making parallels between the Son's godness qualities and the Father who is established as God. While in the Hypostatic Union, the parallel is between both Deity and Humanity. The Greek word ἴσον (isos) or equal is mentioned eight times in the New Testament, and two times in reference to the Son (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6). For example, "only God our Savior" (Jude 25) is in reference to the Father, and "our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1) is in reference to the Son. The Son is being on the same value level equally with the Father. Because the Son possesses those godness qualities that the Father alone possesses as being "God" and "Savior."

Trinity Believers Are Trying To Make Jesus And Paul Liars.


xxx Jesus very plainly says that the Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.

[Jhn 17:1-3
[1] Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
[2] "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
[3] "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.


xxx Paul says even though their are many gods and lords. For us Christians THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD THE FATHER.

[1Co 8:5-6
[5] For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
[6] yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live].


xxx Jesus says we have the very same God and the very same Father that He has.


[Jhn 20:17
[17] Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and [to] My God and your God.' "


xxx God said He would send strong delusions to those who do not have a love for the truth in the Word-verses.


[2Th 2:9-12
[9] The coming of the [lawless one] is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
[10] and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
[12] that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

xxx There is only one trinity in the whole bible.


AND THE DEITY OF SATAN

xxxThe devil is a deity.

4567 Satanas (sat-an-as');

of Aramaic origin corresponding to 4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:

KJV-- Satan.

1140 daimonion (dahee-mon'-ee-on);

neuter of a derivative of 1142; a daemonic being; by extension a deity:

KJV-- devil, god.

The only three in one trinity god in the bible is the dragon, devil, satan.

2316 theos (theh'-os);

of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very:

KJV-- X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].


2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
(NKJ)

II Th 2:4
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(NKJ)

xxx There is only one three in one god in the whole bible. Satan is useing the trinity to mock the living God.

Rev 20:2
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
(NKJ)

xxx Deity has always been angels that are superior to man but inferior to God. Satan has always represented the wrath of God. And Jesus has always represented the righteousness of God.

 

[Lilel01]

Under DIVINE our Biblical Encyclopedia says:

In the Christian Greek Scriptures, certain words derived from the·osʹ (god) appear and relate to that which is divine. The related words theiʹos, thei·oʹtes, and the·oʹtes occur at Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, Colossians 2:9, and 2 Peter 1:3, 4.

If you read the entire article you will realize that each of these three Greek terms is used in the Bible to specify ideas related to power, person or nature, sometimes applied to the Supreme God, sometimes to Jesus and sometimes to the brothers of Christ. .

 

[johnny guitar]

Under DIVINE our Biblical Encyclopedia says:

If you read the entire article you will realize that each of these three Greek terms is used in the Bible to specify ideas related to power, person or nature, sometimes applied to the Supreme God, sometimes to Jesus and sometimes to the brothers of Christ. .

Applied to God ONLY.

 

[johnny guitar]

Who or what is the sacrifice for sins in your religion? If Jesus is a god man then who or what was sacrificed for you?

Jesus Christ, THE God-Man.

 

[johnny guitar]

What does "Deity of Christ" mean? The Deity of Christ is an essential and non-negotiable doctrine within Christianity. The Greek word Θεότητος (or theotés) is mention one time in the Bible, specifically in the New Testament, which is in reference to the Son. And that is found in Colossians 2:9 "...πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς Θεότητος σωματικῶς." Now if you take the Greek word theotés, the theo means "God" and tes means "quality." The tes is the same concept as our English suffixes such as [-ship, -ness, or -hood], or the personal subject has the quality of "Godship, Godness, Godhood, and also as "Godhead." So theotes is define as "a state or quality of being God i.e. Godness" -- all things, everything that belongs to the Divine Nature, including the attributes, etc. or anything that expresses the quality of Godness "in bodily form," or "in the flesh."

Christ C has quality Q.
For any x, if x has quality Q, then x is Deity.
C is Deity.

The Deity of Christ is part of the application of both Trinity and the Hypostatic Union doctrines. In the Trinity doctrine, the basis for the Deity of Christ is refer to the Son alone who is distinct from the Father and co-equal with the Father. A Trinitarian identifies the Deity of Christ by making parallels between the Son's godness qualities and the Father who is established as God. While in the Hypostatic Union, the parallel is between both Deity and Humanity. The Greek word ἴσον (isos) or equal is mentioned eight times in the New Testament, and two times in reference to the Son (John 5:18, Philippians 2:6). For example, "only God our Savior" (Jude 25) is in reference to the Father, and "our God and Savior Jesus Christ" (2 Peter 1:1) is in reference to the Son. The Son is being on the same value level equally with the Father. Because the Son possesses those godness qualities that the Father alone possesses as being "God" and "Savior."

Jude 25 refers to our ONLY God and Savior. NO reference to The Father.
Jesus Christ is our ONLY Savior.
Conclusion: He is God.
If The Son possesses those Godness qualities, then The Father ALONE does NOT.

 

[Yahchristian]

The Father, Son and Spirit are eternally relationally distinct. (John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14; etc.)

You can claim those verse say the Father, Son and Spirit are "relationally distinct"...

But there is nothing in those verses suggesting "eternally".

Could you please post a verse that shows the Father, Son and Spirit are "eternally" relationally distinct.

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

Trinity Believers Are Trying To Make Jesus And Paul Liars.


xxx Jesus very plainly says that the Father is THE ONLY TRUE GOD.

[Jhn 17:1-3
[1] Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: "Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You,
[2] "as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him.
[3] "And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

Yep, how is this relevant at all to the doctrine of the Trinity?

xxx Paul says even though their are many gods and lords. For us Christians THERE IS ONLY ONE GOD THE FATHER.

[1Co 8:5-6
[5] For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),
[6] yet for us [there is] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom [are] all things, and through whom we [live].

Yep, So, If this passage means Jesus isn't God, wouldn't that make God not Lord. Oh wait, you only like reading half of this verse.

xxx Jesus says we have the very same God and the very same Father that He has.


[Jhn 20:17
[17] Jesus said to her, "Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father; but go to My brethren and say to them, 'I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and [to] My God and your God.' "

Yep, how is this relevant at all to the doctrine of the Trinity?

xxx God said He would send strong delusions to those who do not have a love for the truth in the Word-verses.


[2Th 2:9-12
[9] The coming of the [lawless one] is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders,
[10] and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
[11] And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,
[12] that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Yep, and you are suffering from one strong delusion.

xxx There is only one trinity in the whole bible.


AND THE DEITY OF SATAN

xxxThe devil is a deity.

4567 Satanas (sat-an-as');

of Aramaic origin corresponding to 4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:

KJV-- Satan.

1140 daimonion (dahee-mon'-ee-on);

neuter of a derivative of 1142; a daemonic being; by extension a deity:

KJV-- devil, god.

The only three in one trinity god in the bible is the dragon, devil, satan.

2316 theos (theh'-os);

of uncertain affinity; a deity, especially (with 3588) the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very:

KJV-- X exceeding, God, god [-ly, -ward].


2 Cor 11:14-15
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
(NKJ)

II Th 2:4
4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(NKJ)

xxx There is only one three in one god in the whole bible. Satan is useing the trinity to mock the living God.

Rev 20:2
2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;
(NKJ)

xxx Deity has always been angels that are superior to man but inferior to God. Satan has always represented the wrath of God. And Jesus has always represented the righteousness of God.

Yeah, pretend this is a cogent argument, and ignore everything that directly teaches Jesus is the same God as the Father in Scripture.

God Bless

 

[DoctrinesofGraceBapt]

The Father, Son and Spirit are eternally relationally distinct. (John 14:16-17, 26; 15:26; Matthew 28:19; 2 Corinthians 13:14; etc.)

You can claim those verse say the Father, Son and Spirit are "relationally distinct"...

But there is nothing in those verses suggesting "eternally".

Could you please post a verse that shows the Father, Son and Spirit are "eternally" relationally distinct.

John 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed."

 

[Squeaky]

Yep, how is this relevant at all to the doctrine of the Trinity?



Yep, So, If this passage means Jesus isn't God, wouldn't that make God not Lord. Oh wait, you only like reading half of this verse.



Yep, how is this relevant at all to the doctrine of the Trinity?



Yep, and you are suffering from one strong delusion.



Yeah, pretend this is a cogent argument, and ignore everything that directly teaches Jesus is the same God as the Father in Scripture.

God Bless

If you cant see that is what it says. You have been blinded by God.

 

[Yahchristian]

Could you please post a verse that shows the Father, Son and Spirit are "eternally" relationally distinct.

John 17:5 "And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed."

"Before the world existed" just means before "the beginning" of Genesis 1:1 (before 6,000 years ago). It does not reference "eternity".

Could you please post a verse that shows the Father, Son and Spirit are "ETERNALLY" relationally distinct.

 

[johnny guitar]

"Before the world existed" just means before "the beginning" of Genesis 1:1 (before 6,000 years ago). It does not reference "eternity".

Could you please post a verse that shows the Father, Son and Spirit are "ETERNALLY" relationally distinct.

It means ETERNALLY.