Temujin
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Of course I don't. Why would I lie to myself?
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I agree that the mysteries of the actions of God are hard to comprehend sometimes. But look at the response that God gave Job. God never really tells him why. He just said that he was God, and that was enough for Job.
More like, you don't what to shatter your delusions.
christ_undivided
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Has God suffered?
There are many reasons there are suffering in this world. None of them point to a heartless Deity.
Some day when you are in the nursing home and they feed you and bath you on their schedule, keep telling yourself that you are in charge.
christ_undivided
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That is true, but there was little more to it. He challenged Job on the fact he did not understand the design of God in this world. Even "senseless" suffering has a cause.
True. And finite humans fool themselves, thinking they know it.
Temujin
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That could be said with equal validity, to and of you and your beliefs. There's no more track on this route, we disagree. We believe different things. We both think the other is totally wrong about the fundamentals of how reality works. That's it really.
Temujin
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I don't say I'm in charge. I say God isn't in charge. Can't you see the difference?
Crazy Ivan
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I agree. But it's certainly understandable why some people don't believe in God.
If no one is iln charge, then you can do what you want and that will be that. But if God is in charge, you will have to answer to him, and you do not want to have to answer to anyone.
christ_undivided
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That puts YOU in charge.
Crazy Ivan
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If we want to start a separate thread discussing the problem of evil and suffering, we can. I'm just pointing out that lots of people don't believe in God because they can't, in their minds, reconcile suffering with God's existence. That's not really a debatable point.
But God says they are without excuse.
christ_undivided
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No it doesn't. Life hurts, but God hurts. There is no absence of suffering even with God.
A backhanded way of claiming to be in charge
christ_undivided
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I've lost many things in this life but I can't lose Him. Where I go, He is there.
You need to understand the concepts of "things that can be shaken.... being shaken. That what is unshakable might remain".....
Heb 12:27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
You continue to defend this horrid, evil woman. Telling.
People all over the world, from all different cultures and religions have these “spiritual experiences.”
Nothing special about you.
I do understand that the driving force behind Evangelical Christianity is the inability to hold yourself and others to the same standards. Virtually all arguments for Christianity are special pleading.