Reformedguy
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No one said anything about force. God does however know how you will choose in any given situation right? God knows the heart remember? Of course you do. LOL
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What are the Provisions God makes?
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Reformedguy
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What about it? Don't you choose to free yourself?What aboutt he Son setting one free indeed?
Again in a sufficient cause the presense of A results in BNo one said anything about force. God does however know how you will choose in any given situation right? God knows the heart remember? Of course you do. LOL
You are the sufficient cause of your sin, not God
Reformedguy
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Exactly. Creation was the sufficient cause of the fall. Adam was the efficient cause. This is elementary stuff.Again in a sufficient cause the presense of A results in B
You are the sufficient cause of your sin, not God
No you are the sufficient cause of your sinExactly. Creation was the sufficient cause of the fall. Adam was the efficient cause. This is elementary stuff.
Again in a sufficient cause the presence of A results in B
You are the sufficient cause of your sin, not God
God's creation is not the cause of your sin, you are.
If you have personal sin, you the person are the cause
Reformedguy
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No, I am not. God is. I am not sovereign over the conditions in which I find myselfNo you are the sufficient cause of your sin
Again in a sufficient cause the presence of A results in B
You are the sufficient cause of your sin, not God
God's creation is not the cause of your sin, you are.
If you have personal sin, you the person are the cause
Adam did not place himself in the garden. God did. God placed the tree of good and evil there. God placed Eve there. Also the serpent knowing full well what was to occur.
You did the sin.No, I am not. God is. I am not sovereign over the conditions in which I find myself
Adam did not place himself in the garden. God did. God placed the tree of good and evil there. God placed Eve there. Also the serpent knowing full well what was to occur.
You were sufficient to do so.
Stop blaming God for what you did.
PS placing Adam in the garden did not necessitate that he sin.
This is another example of you not understanding terms you use.
Reformedguy
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No kidding. LOL I did the sin. How profound.You did the sin.
You were sufficient to do so.
Stop blaming God for what you did.
PS placing Adam in the garden did not necessitate that he sin.
This is another example of you not understanding terms you use.
Sure it did. God knew what would happen. So tell us what we're the chances Adam did not fall given God provided all the necessary conditions for the fall to occur?
God's knowing did not make it happen.No kidding. LOL I did the sin. How profound.
Sure it did. God knew what would happen. So tell us what we're the chances Adam did not fall given God provided all the necessary conditions for the fall to occur?
You did.
Again, stop attributing to God what you yourself did.
Reformedguy
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Right. God determining it did make it happen.God's knowing did not make it happen.
You did.
Again, stop attributing to God what you yourself did.
No one says I did not do it. God planned and determined the sinful actions in the crucifixion. He planned it and they carried it out. See Acts 4:27,28
God moved David to number Israel, a sin, and David did just that and took responsibility for doing so.
If God did not make it happen it was not necessaryRight. God determining it did make it happen.
No one says I did not do it. God planned and determined the sinful actions in the crucifixion. He planned it and they carried it out. See Acts 4:27,28
God moved David to number Israel, a sin, and David did just that and took responsibility for doing so.
and again if God was not involved in an act it is not an example of compatibilism
and if God did not determine it, then it was not necessary at least in respect to God.
Reformedguy
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God is involved in everything that occurs in some way. He upholds and sustains all things. In Him we live move and have our being.If God did not make it happen it was not necessary
and again if God was not involved in an act it is not an example of compatibilism
and if God did not determine it, then it was not necessary at least in respect to God.
Was God involved in the murder of His own Son?
How was he involved in your sin?God is involved in everything that occurs in some way. He upholds and sustains all things. In Him we live move and have our being.
Was God involved in the murder of His own Son?
Because he created you does not mean you had to commit that particular sin.
Reformedguy
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Sufficient causation.How was he involved in your sin?
Because he created you does not mean you had to commit that particular sin.
Because He created me I will commit that particular sin. I don't have to but I will. Judas did not have to betray Christ but He did just as God had planned and determined him to do so.
Sorry no you could have not committed that sinSufficient causation.
Because He created me I will commit that particular sin. I don't have to but I will. Judas did not have to betray Christ but He did just as God had planned and determined him to do so.
1 Corinthians 10:13 (KJV) — 13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.
You make god a liar.
No kidding. LOL I did the sin. How profound.
Sure it did. God knew what would happen. So tell us what we're the chances Adam did not fall given God provided all the necessary conditions for the fall to occur?
More pleading for sin to reign.
Are you a slave to sin RG?
Or are you just pretending to be?
1 Peter 2:24 King James Version
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healedAccording to his determinism God must still be determining the believer's sin.More pleading for sin to reign.
Are you a slave to sin RG?
Or are you just pretending to be?
1 Peter 2:24 King James Version
Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed
According to his determinism God must still be determining the believer's sin.
It really is a point of emphasis they choose to make.
Kind of sad.
What about it? Don't you choose to free yourself?
You are stuck in Adam.
Good grief ......... Jesus won.
You continue to seek to place Christians under Adam's transgression.
Close to saying the blood of the Covenant is unclean.
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In Provisionism, what are the "provisions" God makes to assure every human being has an equal opportunity to believe and be saved?
1) Love .........
1a) Jesus death and resurrection.
3) the light has come into the world. (though some reject it; even deny it)
4) God is patient .... not wanting any to perish.
5) Time coupled with the love of God.
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