The Role of Mary in the Church of Roman Catholicism

dingoling. said:
That is not correct. The Bible actually says, "In the days of King Herod of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, who belonged to the priestly order of Abijah. His wife was a descendant of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth. Both of them were righteous before God, living blamelessly according to all the commandments and regulations of the Lord." and "as to zeal, a persecutor of the church; as to righteousness under the law, blameless."
Click to expand...
They were righteous because they had done all that the Law required of them, with the various sacrifices and rituals and such taught by the Law of Moses. This does NOT mean that they were sinless! The sin offerings they had to give were for the forgiveness of their sins. Ergo, they sinned. Zechariah didn't believe Gabriel that Elizabeth would conceive a son in her old age--wasn't that a sin, to disbelieve the messenger of God? And we know what the angel caused to happen to ol' Zech, don't we? Because of his unbelief?

But Jesus did not; no guile or deceit was found in Him, and He was and is without sin.

Honestly, doesn't your church teach its members ANYTHING???
 
Last edited:
organgrinder said:
Only in the eyes of your church which declared it so. God's written word says otherwise. So who do you believe? God's inerrant word or the proclamations of your church? They both cannot be correct on this issue.
Click to expand...
Again, it is sad to say, but the truth of this matter again is that Roman Catholics turn to the Roman Catholic Church because they have been falsely promised that the RCC exercises some inerrant, mysterious authority to properly interpret the Holy Bible. The RC believes he can, in full trust, accept whatever the RCC teaches and never ever have to worry that the RCC might be wrong.
 
RayneBeau said:
Again, it is sad to say, but the truth of this matter again is that Roman Catholics turn to the Roman Catholic Church because they have been falsely promised that the RCC exercises some inerrant, mysterious authority to properly interpret the Holy Bible. The RC believes he can, in full trust, accept whatever the RCC teaches and never ever have to worry that the RCC might be wrong.
Click to expand...
 
Bonnie said:
so you are the authority?
Click to expand...
of course, no.
my authority is the church jesus established in jerusalem,33ad. the church he promised the guidance of the holy spirit, the church the bible says the pillar and foundation of truth, the church, God used as his instrument to determine the canon of the bible.
what about you?
 
Bonnie said:
What I posted is scriptural--ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and in the entire Bible, ONLY ONE PERSON was ever said to be without sin--Jesus Christ.

This isn't my "opinion." It is what the Bible actually SAYS.
Click to expand...
this refers to personal sins as evidenced by john telling as to confess our sins. we do not confess the sin we inherited from our first parents (original sin). so, babies who are without the proper faculties to enable them to sin and those who do not have the use of their intellect (handicapped) can be considered as exceptions to rom3: 23.
 
ramcam2 said:
this refers to personal sins as evidenced by john telling as to confess our sins. we do not confess the sin we inherited from our first parents (original sin). so, babies who are without the proper faculties to enable them to sin and those who do not have the use of their intellect (handicapped) can be considered as exceptions to rom3: 23.
Click to expand...
I think you know where the sacramental wine has been stored based on that answer.
 
ramcam2 said:
this refers to personal sins as evidenced by john telling as to confess our sins. we do not confess the sin we inherited from our first parents (original sin). so, babies who are without the proper faculties to enable them to sin and those who do not have the use of their intellect (handicapped) can be considered as exceptions to rom3: 23.
Click to expand...
This refers to the fact that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God--and the only exception in all Scripture is Jesus Christ, who alone never sinned. Not once.
 
RayneBeau said:
Again, it is sad to say, but the truth of this matter again is that Roman Catholics turn to the Roman Catholic Church because they have been falsely promised that the RCC exercises some inerrant, mysterious authority to properly interpret the Holy Bible. The RC believes he can, in full trust, accept whatever the RCC teaches and never ever have to worry that the RCC might be wrong.
Click to expand...
And that absolves them of taking responsibility for reading the Bible for themselves to see what it says and means.
 
Bonnie said:
Christ is both man and God in one person. If you believe otherwise, then you are going against Scripture.
Click to expand...
Jesus already was at the beginning of time and he was God (john1 :1-2). He was made flesh and dwell among us (v14).
Are you saying He changed to a human person when He took human nature?
 
RayneBeau said:
Again, it is sad to say, but the truth of this matter again is that Roman Catholics turn to the Roman Catholic Church because they have been falsely promised that the RCC exercises some inerrant, mysterious authority to properly interpret the Holy Bible. The RC believes he can, in full trust, accept whatever the RCC teaches and never ever have to worry that the RCC might be wrong.
Click to expand...
The nCCs want us to believe their personal interpretation of scripture as if they have some inerrant, mysterious authority to properly interpret the Holy Bible. It works both ways.
 
Bonnie said:
This refers to the fact that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God--and the only exception in all Scripture is Jesus Christ, who alone never sinned. Not once.
Click to expand...
If Paul is really referring to no esceptions, other than Jesus, what about Isaiah7:16 and Romans 9:11? remember, the bible does not contradict itself.

Isaiah7: 16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
Romans9: 11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth
 
ramcam2 said:
Jesus already was at the beginning of time and he was God (john1 :1-2). He was made flesh and dwell among us (v14).
Are you saying He changed to a human person when He took human nature?
Click to expand...
You seem to be having problems with various forms of heresy:

It taught Jesus only appeared to have a body and was not truly incarnate or that In essence, the heresy maintained Jesus was really two separate persons or the heresy claimed Jesus had only one nature (something new and different than the Divine or human nature that God and humans have, respectively). Instead, this heresy taught a third unique nature was possessed by Jesus; a blend or mixture of the human and the Divine.

from coldcasechristianity.

You need to make up your mind what you actually believe.
 
dingoling. said:
The nCCs want us to believe their personal interpretation of scripture as if they have some inerrant, mysterious authority to properly interpret the Holy Bible. It works both ways.
Click to expand...
You want us to believe your personal interpreation of the RCC false interpretant of scripture. No it is RCs who believe they have some inerrant, mysterious authority that can properly interpret scripture. But there are so many flaws in that interpretation it is clearly wrong.
 
ramcam2 said:
Jesus already was at the beginning of time and he was God (john1 :1-2). He was made flesh and dwell among us (v14).
Are you saying He changed to a human person when He took human nature?
Click to expand...
Do you know what you are saying? Did Jesus divine spirit just hover around his human form? or do you mean he did not have a real human body? Are you denying his humanity?
 
dingoling. said:
The nCCs want us to believe their personal interpretation of scripture as if they have some inerrant, mysterious authority to properly interpret the Holy Bible. It works both ways.
Click to expand...
and the result are the many denominations that keep on splitting depending on each pastors' personal interpretation of the bible.
 
balshan said:
Do you know what you are saying? Did Jesus divine spirit just hover around his human form? or do you mean he did not have a real human body? Are you denying his humanity?
Click to expand...
A person is an individual substance of a rational nature (Boethius). Jesus is one person and that person is either divine or human. Take your pick, there is no such thing as an individual who is a divine-human mixture. Jesus has two natures (human and divine) subsisting within one subject/substannce/person who is God.
 
balshan said:
Your institution is constantly splitting and has done so throughout the centuries due to corruption and false teaching.
Click to expand...
only in your imagination.
you cannot prove that, there is only one catholic church with the bishop of rome and his successors as the head/chirf executive officer.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top