They are the same Person.Is there a difference between the RCC's Eucharistic Christ and the Jesus of the Bible?
That depends on what you mean by "difference."Is there a difference between the RCC's Eucharistic Christ and the Jesus of the Bible?
Yes Jesus of the bible is real.Is there a difference between the RCC's Eucharistic Christ and the Jesus of the Bible?
Accidents not substantiated by scripture, Jesus, nor his apostles....This is to say, it is one and the same Christ that is present-----but according to substance, not accidents.
Accidents is just a fancy philosophical term that refers to appearances. Substance is a term that refers to the nature of the thing, accidents the appearances.Accidents not substantiated by scripture, Jesus, nor his apostles.
Again, neither substance nor accidents stated in scripture, by Jesus, or by his apostles; anymore than a door, a gate, a vine is the substance and accidents of Jesus.Accidents is just a fancy philosophical term that refers to appearances. Substance is a term that refers to the nature of the thing, accidents the appearances.
The substance of the Eucharist is Jesus, while it retains the accidents of bread and wine.
Either the wafer is God or its not. This malarky about substance and accidents is just a smoke screen to fool followers into thinking what they see is one thing but what it really is is another. Not a shred of this is in scripture. The Lords Table was never meant to be a philosophical ceremony. Seems you like to chalk up a lot of what you believe to philosophy. Christianity is much simpler than that.Accidents is just a fancy philosophical term that refers to appearances. Substance is a term that refers to the nature of the thing, accidents the appearances.
The substance of the Eucharist is Jesus, while it retains the accidents of bread and wine.
Jesus is God and an actual person before and after His death and resurrection. The wafer consumed by catholics during the theater called the mass is a lifeless piece of dry stale bread. Its alleged by the ccc 1392 to be the risen Christ. How the risen Christ got on the cross is beyond me.Is there a difference between the RCC's Eucharistic Christ and the Jesus of the Bible?
Correct. It is God. We aren't Lutheran. They believe it is God and bread, not us.Either the wafer is God or its not.
What malarky? It isn't that difficult. It is the body and blood of Christ under the appearances of bread and wine.This malarky about substance and accidents
Well, since, 'It isn't that difficult.'Correct. It is God. We aren't Lutheran. They believe it is God and bread, not us.
What malarky? It isn't that difficult. It is the body and blood of Christ under the appearances of bread and wine.
What evidence do you have? How do you prove there is a change? Miracles can always be proven. There was always evidence of physical changes in scripture eg water changed into wine, tasted like wine, fish died when the Nile turned to blood. You have nothing at all.Correct. It is God. We aren't Lutheran. They believe it is God and bread, not us.
What malarky? It isn't that difficult. It is the body and blood of Christ under the appearances of bread and wine.
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It isn't that difficult. It is the body and blood of Christ under the appearances of bread and wine.
Miracles done by Jesus were visible and proven; should not be difficult for RCC to prove, being the RCC is the alleged Vicar of Christ on earth.Well, since, 'It isn't that difficult.'
It should be easy to show/prove, 'It is the body and blood of Christ under the appearances of bread and wine.'
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The BIble does not "teach" a thing about "accidents" relating to "substances" makes Jesus Christ anew at the hands of a Roman Catholic priest in the Roman Catholic Church. What the Bible does "teach" is that our eternal destiny depends on whether or not we accept the true Jesus as our Lord and Savior. To know this Jesus of the Bible, we need to be certain who He is. Jesus stated this in John 8:Accidents is just a fancy philosophical term that refers to appearances. Substance is a term that refers to the nature of the thing, accidents the appearances.
The substance of the Eucharist is Jesus, while it retains the accidents of bread and wine.
Actually it does. Jesus said "This IS my body." If it isn't Jesus's body, what is it?The BIble does not "teach" a thing about "accidents" relating to "substances"
No Jesus doesn't teach what the RC teaches at all.Actually it does. Jesus said "This IS my body." If it isn't Jesus's body, what is it?
Oh, right--just bread and wine. For Protestants when Jesus said "This is my body" what Jesus REALLY meant was "This is bread and wine" not "This is my body."
And you have the audacity to accuse Catholics of ignoring the plain words of Scripture? Yeah--pot, meet kettle.
Well, you can have your bread and wine.
Peter summed it up perfectly in John 6:69 and we have believed, and have come to know, that you are the Holy One of God.”Either the wafer is God or its not. This malarky about substance and accidents is just a smoke screen to fool followers into thinking what they see is one thing but what it really is is another. Not a shred of this is in scripture. The Lords Table was never meant to be a philosophical ceremony. Seems you like to chalk up a lot of what you believe to philosophy. Christianity is much simpler than that.
If Satan wanted to counterfeit the Jesus of the Bible, wouldn't it be reasonable to suggest this counterfeit Jesus would much resemble the biblical Jesus mixed together with characteristcs that were not biblical?Actually it does. Jesus said "This IS my body." If it isn't Jesus's body, what is it?
Oh, right--just bread and wine. For Protestants when Jesus said "This is my body" what Jesus REALLY meant was "This is bread and wine" not "This is my body."
And you have the audacity to accuse Catholics of ignoring the plain words of Scripture? Yeah--pot, meet kettle.
Well, you can have your bread and wine.
That is so very true, but Roman Catholics are required by their institution to embrace the Eucharist. It is entirely true that millions upon millions of Roman Catholics do NOT accept Rome's doctines concernig transubstantion. Many Roman Catholics deny that Jesus Christ is literally and phsically present in the Eucharist. But the RCC's position on this is clear. Anyone who denies any aspect of the RCC's teachings on the Eucharist is to be "anathema"! Read the following quotes taken directly from the Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent and referenced in The Catechism of the Roman Catholic Church which are very clear:Either the wafer is God or its not. This malarky about substance and accidents is just a smoke screen to fool followers into thinking what they see is one thing but what it really is is another. Not a shred of this is in scripture. The Lords Table was never meant to be a philosophical ceremony. Seems you like to chalk up a lot of what you believe to philosophy. Christianity is much simpler than that.