Biden and Trump on Declassification - just for absolute clarity

[Thistle]

The President of the United States can declassify anything "without any process!" Kash Patel witnessed the president declassify the documents found at Mar-a-Lago, therefore there is simply no argument to justify what they have done to Donald Trump.

Do presidents have 'the ability to declassify anything'?

The blockbuster article in The Washington Post saying President Donald Trump had "revealed highly classified information

www.politifact.com

What can we say then about Donald Trump's accusers in the Justice Department? Obviously enforcing the law is the last thing on their agenda, because this issue has absolutely nothing to do with US law. From a political perspective (which would be Democrats in Congress for example) this would have to be viewed as an attempt to hold Donald Trump culpable for what the founding fathers called "Maladministration." But when considering the issue of impeachment Maladministration was specifically excluded as a ground for impeachment, because it is entirely a political judgment. In other words we can draw two conclusions. The justice system has been Weaponized against Donald Trump and his supporters, and the basis of this weaponization is grounded entirely in politics.

Accordingly, there is absolutely no basis whatsoever for the raid at Mar-a-Lago in August and any continuing investigation. The notable point is that none of this power to declassify devolves to the Vice President of the United States constitutionally.

For this reason, the Obama Administration era documents that have been in the possession of Joe Biden since the Obama Administration timeframe, do not share the exculpatory benefit of this fact.

Therefore the Trump investigation of documents is entirely bogus, and the Biden investigation of documents is entirely legitimate!

 

[vibise]

Kash Patel is a Trump loyalist and is not therefore an unbiased source.

There is no evidence that Trump declassified anything. No one in his administration has said they were aware of him doing this, and no one in the federal govt working on issues dealt with in those documents was made aware that they were declassified.

And yes, Biden as VP did not have the power to declassify documents, but he certainly has that power now.

Also, the search warrant executed at Mar-a-lago turned up many classified documents, vindicating the decision to search that site. Furthermore, the results of that search should have resulted in searches of other Trump properties, just as Biden's properties have all been searched.

Finally, Trump has been noncooperative if not obstructionist when the Archives and then the DOJ tried to get documents returned. Trump dragged his feet, returned a few things and did not allow agents to search his storage areas.

Also, early stories on this reported that Trump often ripped up govt documents, and that his aides taped them back together. The Archives received some taped together pages and some documents in fragments. Few recent stories on this issue point out this fact which points to a complete disregard for rules regarding document preservation.

 

[glenlogie]

Kash Patel is a Trump loyalist and is not therefore an unbiased source.

There is no evidence that Trump declassified anything. No one in his administration has said they were aware of him doing this, and no one in the federal govt working on issues dealt with in those documents was made aware that they were declassified.

And yes, Biden as VP did not have the power to declassify documents, but he certainly has that power now.

Also, the search warrant executed at Mar-a-lago turned up many classified documents, vindicating the decision to search that site. Furthermore, the results of that search should have resulted in searches of other Trump properties, just as Biden's properties have all been searched.

Finally, Trump has been noncooperative if not obstructionist when the Archives and then the DOJ tried to get documents returned. Trump dragged his feet, returned a few things and did not allow agents to search his storage areas.

Also, early stories on this reported that Trump often ripped up govt documents, and that his aides taped them back together. The Archives received some taped together pages and some documents in fragments. Few recent stories on this issue point out this fact which points to a complete disregard for rules regarding document preservation.

So anyone who voted for Biden is correct 100% of the time, according to vibise

 

[vibise]

So anyone who bred for Biden is correct 100% of the time, according to vibise

????

 

[glenlogie]

????

Voted

 

[Thistle]

Kash Patel is a Trump loyalist and is not therefore an unbiased source.

You have just promulgated a standard by which no president could be found innocent. Presumably the only people who can observe the president doing anything (when he's not on camera) are his close advisors who you would ordinarily expect to be loyalists to the president. After all, if the president didn't appoint them to their highly exalted positions, they would not have the, thus the presumption of loyalty! The burden of proof is never on the accused. You are trying to prove a negative with no evidence. I'm sorry but that does not wash on the ground that it is absolutely impossible. And furthermore, it violates every principle and tradition of justice in Western civilization.

There is no evidence that Trump declassified anything.

You are alleging a crime and you have no evidence. The burden of proof is not on the accused. The president and his advisers say that he declassified this, that is the beginning in the end of the investigation.

No one in his administration has said they were aware of him doing this,

That's a bold face lie, Kash Patel witnessed him doing this and his testified in public to that fact.

and no one in the federal govt working on issues dealt with in those documents was made aware that they were declassified.

That too is a bold face lie, Kash Patel witnesses to the fact that Donald Trump gave specific orders for the classification markings to be removed from those documents, an order which was not followed. But even if you don't believe that which is absolutely true, it doesn't matter because the president's power to declassify does not depend on any process whatsoever.

And yes, Biden as VP did not have the power to declassify documents, but he certainly has that power now.

Unfortunately the crime was committed during the Obama and Trump Administration so the fact that Joe Biden is a felonious criminal and not eligible to hold public office preceded his election and therefore he is not the legitimate President of the United States. Of course, this is according to the arguments that are being applied to Donald Trump by his critics. i'm actually quite dubious of that standard, but if it applies to Donald Trump it definitely applies to alleged President Biden.

Also, the search warrant executed at Mar-a-lago turned up many classified documents, vindicating the decision to search that site.

It turned up zero classified documents. The document is not classified on the ground that it bears a marking claiming that it's classified. It is classified on the ground that it was properly, continually and perpetually classified under the authority of the President of the United States who is responsible for its classification, when it was classified. If it was declassified, as is the case with The Trump documents, it's not classified. So whatever marking those documents bear is completely irrelevant. When you say those Trump documents were classified, you're lying. Again the president declassifies with no process. Thus he has nothing to prove.

Furthermore, the results of that search should have resulted in searches of other Trump properties, just as Biden's properties have all been searched.

Which is in no sense further illuminating to the issue.

Finally,

Using the word "finally" is the prerogative of people who made a valid point. So far that does not apply to you.

Trump has been noncooperative if not obstructionist when the Archives and then the DOJ tried to get documents returned.

That's not true. Just because one side has grown weary of the discussion does not mean the other side is being obstructionist. This is exactly the argument of the person who gets frustrated and punches somebody in the nose, because they don't want to go to the trouble of resolving things in a civil manner. This is the favorite argument of left-wing hooligans who accuse other people of being bullies.

Trump dragged his feet, returned a few things and did not allow agents to search his storage areas.

The anti-American usurpers who've weaponized the justice system, simply truncated the process, because they had in their hands the levers of power to do so.

Also, early stories on this reported that Trump often ripped up govt documents, and that his aides taped them back together.

You mean like when Nancy Pelosi ripped Donald Trump's state of the union address in half on live television in front of the entire country, a public document paid for by the US taxpayers which is actually indirectly referenced in the constitution of the United States?

The Archives received some taped together pages and some documents in fragments.

The archives undoubtedly has a lot of documents that fit that description. One of which is the Star-Spangled Banner which I believe is displayed in the national archives. Fragmented documents is what we call "American history."

Few recent stories on this issue point out this fact which points to a complete disregard for rules regarding document preservation.

Is this your opinion as a professional psychoanalyst?

 

[Thistle]

Finally, Trump has been noncooperative

The Biden document scandal was discovered several days before the midterm election. If anything is indicative of willful hiding of legitimate illegal activity by the president of the United States (that is to say a "cover-up") it was the fact that none of this was revealed prior to the election, when it was discovered prior to the election. This is a major cover-up of criminal activity and if you notice the names of all of the principal actors in this cover-up were omitted in the Attorney General's announcement of a special counsel. That very deliberate omission of the principal actors implicates the Attorney General himself in that same cover-up.

 

[Backup]

The President of the United States can declassify anything "without any process!" Kash Patel witnessed the president declassify the documents found at Mar-a-Lago, therefore there is simply no argument to justify what they have done to Donald Trump.

Do presidents have 'the ability to declassify anything'?

The blockbuster article in The Washington Post saying President Donald Trump had "revealed highly classified information

www.politifact.com

What can we say then about Donald Trump's accusers in the Justice Department? Obviously enforcing the law is the last thing on their agenda, because this issue has absolutely nothing to do with US law. From a political perspective (which would be Democrats in Congress for example) this would have to be viewed as an attempt to hold Donald Trump culpable for what the founding fathers called "Maladministration." But when considering the issue of impeachment Maladministration was specifically excluded as a ground for impeachment, because it is entirely a political judgment. In other words we can draw two conclusions. The justice system has been Weaponized against Donald Trump and his supporters, and the basis of this weaponization is grounded entirely in politics.

Accordingly, there is absolutely no basis whatsoever for the raid at Mar-a-Lago in August and any continuing investigation. The notable point is that none of this power to declassify devolves to the Vice President of the United States constitutionally.

For this reason, the Obama Administration era documents that have been in the possession of Joe Biden since the Obama Administration timeframe, do not share the exculpatory benefit of this fact.

Therefore the Trump investigation of documents is entirely bogus, and the Biden investigation of documents is entirely legitimate!

So what you are saying is Trump is throwing Kash Patel under the bus…

 

[Thistle]

So what you are saying is Trump is throwing Kash Patel under the bus…

The only thing that my post above says that Donald Trump did was declassify the documents. With respect to Kash Patel I didn't say that Donald Trump did anything. This really begs the question of why you would concoct this lie about my post. So why would you do that?

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

So what you are saying is Trump is throwing Kash Patel under the bus…

Jordan Peterson did a video on how ugly dishonest left wingers lie about what people say. They start with "so what you are saying........................"

He said no such thing.
You get caught with misquoting tricks,

 

[BMS]

Kash Patel is a Trump loyalist and is not therefore an unbiased source.

There is no evidence that Trump declassified anything. No one in his administration has said they were aware of him doing this, and no one in the federal govt working on issues dealt with in those documents was made aware that they were declassified.

And yes, Biden as VP did not have the power to declassify documents, but he certainly has that power now.

Also, the search warrant executed at Mar-a-lago turned up many classified documents, vindicating the decision to search that site. Furthermore, the results of that search should have resulted in searches of other Trump properties, just as Biden's properties have all been searched.

Finally, Trump has been noncooperative if not obstructionist when the Archives and then the DOJ tried to get documents returned. Trump dragged his feet, returned a few things and did not allow agents to search his storage areas.

Also, early stories on this reported that Trump often ripped up govt documents, and that his aides taped them back together. The Archives received some taped together pages and some documents in fragments. Few recent stories on this issue point out this fact which points to a complete disregard for rules regarding document preservation.

A perfect example of hypocrisy from a child abusing ideology

 

[BMS]

????

People who live in glasshouses shouldnt throw stones.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Kash Patel is a Trump loyalist and is not therefore an unbiased source.

Nothing more biased than filthy WAPO

Why did dirty biased WAPO deny the Hunter laptop for 2 years?
WAPO is popular with biased ultra leftists.

 

[vibise]

You have just promulgated a standard by which no president could be found innocent. Presumably the only people who can observe the president doing anything (when he's not on camera) are his close advisors who you would ordinarily expect to be loyalists to the president. After all, if the president didn't appoint them to their highly exalted positions, they would not have the, thus the presumption of loyalty! The burden of proof is never on the accused. You are trying to prove a negative with no evidence. I'm sorry but that does not wash on the ground that it is absolutely impossible. And furthermore, it violates every principle and tradition of justice in Western civilization.

You are alleging a crime and you have no evidence. The burden of proof is not on the accused. The president and his advisers say that he declassified this, that is the beginning in the end of the investigation.

That's a bold face lie, Kash Patel witnessed him doing this and his testified in public to that fact.

That too is a bold face lie, Kash Patel witnesses to the fact that Donald Trump gave specific orders for the classification markings to be removed from those documents, an order which was not followed. But even if you don't believe that which is absolutely true, it doesn't matter because the president's power to declassify does not depend on any process whatsoever.

Unfortunately the crime was committed during the Obama and Trump Administration so the fact that Joe Biden is a felonious criminal and not eligible to hold public office preceded his election and therefore he is not the legitimate President of the United States. Of course, this is according to the arguments that are being applied to Donald Trump by his critics. i'm actually quite dubious of that standard, but if it applies to Donald Trump it definitely applies to alleged President Biden.

It turned up zero classified documents. The document is not classified on the ground that it bears a marking claiming that it's classified. It is classified on the ground that it was properly, continually and perpetually classified under the authority of the President of the United States who is responsible for its classification, when it was classified. If it was declassified, as is the case with The Trump documents, it's not classified. So whatever marking those documents bear is completely irrelevant. When you say those Trump documents were classified, you're lying. Again the president declassifies with no process. Thus he has nothing to prove.

Which is in no sense further illuminating to the issue.

Using the word "finally" is the prerogative of people who made a valid point. So far that does not apply to you.

That's not true. Just because one side has grown weary of the discussion does not mean the other side is being obstructionist. This is exactly the argument of the person who gets frustrated and punches somebody in the nose, because they don't want to go to the trouble of resolving things in a civil manner. This is the favorite argument of left-wing hooligans who accuse other people of being bullies.

The anti-American usurpers who've weaponized the justice system, simply truncated the process, because they had in their hands the levers of power to do so.

You mean like when Nancy Pelosi ripped Donald Trump's state of the union address in half on live television in front of the entire country, a public document paid for by the US taxpayers which is actually indirectly referenced in the constitution of the United States?

The archives undoubtedly has a lot of documents that fit that description. One of which is the Star-Spangled Banner which I believe is displayed in the national archives. Fragmented documents is what we call "American history."

Is this your opinion as a professional psychoanalyst?

There are a large number of Trump advisers and lawyers who refuse to say that Trump declassified documents, or who say that Trump did not do this to their knowledge.

None of the documents in question are marked "declassified" and the relevant agencies were not told of this declassification and so continue to treat those documents as classified.

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that Biden is the duly elected President, explains a lot about your skewed view of these two Presidents.

Nancy was given a copy of the document to follow along. She was not destroying the original, or anything of historical significance, although the pieces may now have historical significance because of her act.

 

[vibise]

The Biden document scandal was discovered several days before the midterm election. If anything is indicative of willful hiding of legitimate illegal activity by the president of the United States (that is to say a "cover-up") it was the fact that none of this was revealed prior to the election, when it was discovered prior to the election. This is a major cover-up of criminal activity and if you notice the names of all of the principal actors in this cover-up were omitted in the Attorney General's announcement of a special counsel. That very deliberate omission of the principal actors implicates the Attorney General himself in that same cover-up.

Biden was not running for office, and it is generally agreed that parties don't reveal such information right before an election since there will be little if any time to evaluate it. Which was why Comey was criticized for his comments on Hillary's emails right before the 2016 election.

 

[Backup]

Jordan Peterson did a video on how ugly dishonest left wingers lie about what people say. They start with "so what you are saying........................"

He said no such thing.
You get caught with misquoting tricks,

I know a cowboy that claims to be a psychologist like Jordan Peterson.

When Peterson steps out of his expertise
he really doesn’t have a clue.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

Kash Patel is a Trump loyalist and is not therefore an unbiased source.

Biden is using his own biased lawyers to "investigate" and keep the FBI and others away from the crime scene.

The crime scene is contaminated.

 

[BMS]

Kash Patel is a Trump loyalist and is not therefore an unbiased source.

Is possibly true. It also could be he IS telling the truth.

 

[Thistle]

There are a large number of Trump advisers and lawyers who refuse to say that Trump declassified documents, or who say that Trump did not do this to their knowledge.

Which is irrelevant because they don't need to witness it. It takes no process so there's really nothing to witness. There is however evidence that he did. It crystallized in the fact that he ordered the classification markings removed which Kash Patel has testified to. But even if there was no eyewitness to that instruction that still wouldn't mean they weren't declassified. I don't think you comprehend what "no process" means.

None of the documents in question are marked "declassified"

Marking something "declassified" is a process. No processes required.

and the relevant agencies were not told of this declassification

Kash Patel was in Donald Trump's presence when he ordered the documents be declassified.

and so continue to treat those documents as classified.

They can treat them like their invaders from Mars as far as I'm concerned.

The fact that you refuse to acknowledge that Biden is the duly elected President,

I acknowledged him as president up to the point where we knew that he was a felon during the 2020 election and you and your fellow travelers have made it abundantly clear that that makes him disqualified to be president.

explains a lot about your skewed view of these two Presidents.

Problem is, your predicate was false.

Nancy was given a copy of the document to follow along. She was not destroying the original, or anything of historical significance, although the pieces may now have historical significance because of her act.

Nancy Pelosi was not just some citizen who is handed the equivalent of a little paper flag to wave. Nancy Pelosi was speaker of the house performing her official duty as a speaker of the house to preside at the state of the union address and therefore all of the government accoutrements made available to her like the speech she was issued belong to the United States of America. What she tore in half was the copy of the State of the Union Address that belong to the Speaker of the House, which we now know she was not to hold that office into perpetuity. That was a temporary office she no longer holds. That she destroyed a document belonging to the national archives. Their refusal to claim that document is entirely beside the point. Simply one more example of a double standard.

 

[Authentic Nouveau]

So anyone who voted for Biden is correct 100% of the time, according to vibise

I am NON Bidenary!