The RC Mary has Godly attributes?

[Arch Stanton]

I already have.

not enough

It doesn't exist in the NT.

go back to James, John, Jude, and 2 Corinthians

 

[Arch Stanton]

This is nothing but worthless rhetoric.

that really started with man in the sixteenth century.... why would anyone think Christ's Church erred for 1,500 years

 

[Johan]

You are indeed guessing.

It is indeed a fact that you cannot eat the cake and still have it. So if you insist that "all" does not necessarily mean "every individual," that claim has implications for 1 Tim. 2:3–4 as well.

 

[Johan]

What was finished?

The atonement for our sins, the redemption, the sanctification, and the perfection of His people.

 

[Johan]

The ministerial priesthood that man-made ecclesial communities in the sixteenth century took out of Christ's Church.

You mean the man-made "ministerial priesthood" that is nowhere found in the Word of God?

 

[Johan]

Mt 7:7-8

I can also post random verses with no relevance to the subject matter.

 

[Johan]

that really started with man in the sixteenth century.... why would anyone think Christ's Church erred for 1,500 years

It didn't. But the Catholic "church" has erred from the day the adversary of souls founded it.

 

[Arch Stanton]

It is indeed a fact that you cannot eat the cake and still have it. So if you insist that "all" does not necessarily mean "every individual," that claim has implications for 1 Tim. 2:3–4 as well.

https://forums.carm.org/threads/the-rc-mary-has-godly-attributes.15023/page-9 [post 165]

 

[Arch Stanton]

The atonement for our sins, the redemption, the sanctification, and the perfection of His people.

so it wasn't actually finished

 

[Arch Stanton]

I can also post random verses with no relevance to the subject matter.

not random at all... seeking when one does not see is pertinent to the conversation ?

I do not know of any such priesthood on Planet Earth.

 

[Arch Stanton]

You mean the man-made "ministerial priesthood" that is nowhere found in the Word of God?

post 308 ?

in the NT.... Jude, James, John, and 2 Corinthians

 

[Mik]

Do you know of any other woman in history that conceived a child while a virgin?

Matt 11:11 'Truly I say to you, among those born of women there has not arisen anyone greater than John the Baptist! Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.'

Maybe Mary was not born of a woman?

 

[Arch Stanton]

It didn't. But the Catholic "church" has erred from the day the adversary of souls founded it.

you and others have never given Catholics proof of your assertion

 

[Johan]

so it wasn't actually finished

The things I mentioned in my post were indeed finished. What is left unfinished in His salvific work, according to you?

 

[Theo1689]

that really started with man in the sixteenth century.... why would anyone think Christ's Church erred for 1,500 years

More worthless rhetoric.
The Bible proves that the Romanist church erred, and has continued in error.

 

[Theo1689]

you and others have never given Catholics proof of your assertion

Why do we need to?
You have never given us proof that the Romanist church is Christ's church.
You're shifting the burden of proof again.
Why do we need to "disprove" something you haven't proven in the first place?

And even though the burden is not on us, we've already proven it, by the false doctrines your church teaches, the true doctrines it doesn't teach, the false gospel is presents, and your corrupt clergy.

 

[Theo1689]

Second things, the bible does allude to the concept of Immaculate conception, the perpetual Virginity and Bodily assumption of Mary.

No, it doesn't, and you very well know it.
If it did, you'd be the first to quote the specific verses.
But you can't, since they don't exist.

Mary was a creature, i.e. created. We never asserted anything else. But, normal? I wouldn't say so.

Then you'd be wrong.
It seems you are offering nothing but your own self-serving opinion.

few if any women loved God as she did.

Again, you have no evidence for that bankrupt claim.

None were the beloved most favored of God,

Neither was Mary.
And as others have shown you:

Matt. 11:11 Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist.

Mary was born of a woman, correct?
So John the Baptist was greater than she.

the mother of Christ,

It pleased God to use her.
That doesn't make her "great".

and the spouse of the Holy Spirit.

Another false claim by you.
If what you were saying were true, you are calling the Holy Spirit a deadbeat dad, and calling Mary an adulterer since she married Joseph.

Never said it was, but the contention was that Mary sinned. According to the paradigm, if it ain't in Scripture it ain't so - still waiting ont the authority of Scripture , but in the interim you can point out all her sin, because if it ain't in the Book it ain't so.

"All have sinned" (Rom. 3:23).
You destroy Scripture when you try to make self-serving exceptions.

But even if you want specific sins of Mary, why did Jesus feel the need to rebuke her in John 2?

You need to check the dates and do the math. Mary was assumed in heaven long before St. Paul wrung out the squid to eke out the ink.

You are really grasping at straws, aren't you?
Paul was writing a gnomic truth which is true when he wrote it, after he wrote it, and before he wrote it. And further, he wrote it in the PAST TENSE ("have sinned"), meaning it was true prior to him writing it down.

Here's the most likely reason he uses all. In both chapter 3 and chapter 5 we find St. Paul addressing the Jews along side the gentiles. These particular group of Jews contend that they have an ‘advantage’ over the gentile by virtue of circumcision, or more to the point, the Law of Moses. In my vernacular he would have said "y'all" meaning both groups of gentile and Jew. In St. Paul's vernacular he said "all sinned", meaning both groups, gentile and Jew. In short used a rhetorical form of speech.

So when he writes, "No, NOT ONE" in Rom. 3:10, that doesn't exclude any individual. It is ALL-inclusive. It's not limited merely to "groups".

Y'all get it?

Yeah, we get it.
You hate Scripture and your false teachings force you to reject it at every turn.

 

[Arch Stanton]

The things I mentioned in my post were indeed finished. What is left unfinished in His salvific work, according to you?

we had this discussion before... you are assuming what Christ meant with the words 'it is finished'. Romans does not agree with that

 

[Arch Stanton]

More worthless rhetoric.

not on my part though

The Bible proves that the Romanist church erred

negative Theo... the Bible is a gift to you from the Catholic Church.... you are welcome

 

[Arch Stanton]

Why do we need to?

debate

You have never given us proof that the Romanist church is Christ's church.

might be the amount of time spent on other boards