Reformedguy
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Genesis 22?
- Thread starter SovereignGrace
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So that.
But he knew what Abraham would do?
Yes, as far as God's absolute omniscience is concerned. But God did say He knew because of Abraham action. And even Jesus didn't know the time of His second coming. And there is scripture of God being surprised. Yet God is omniscient. … So there is a *sense* that God didn't originally know Abraham choice.
Ok.Yes, as far as God's absolute omniscience is concerned. But God did say He knew because of Abraham action. And even Jesus didn't know the time of His second coming. And there is scripture of God being surprised. Yet God is omniscient. … So there is a *sense* that God didn't originally know Abraham choice.
I don't believe there is any sense in which God didn't know everything.
Ok.
I don't believe there is any sense in which God didn't know everything.
God did say "now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me." ...
Genesis 22:12 (KJV) And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for **now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.**
And Jesus didn't know the time of His second coming. And His was the Word/God.
And God can get surprised. ...
Jeremiah 19:5 (KJV) They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:
So how do you explain all that without being dogmatic?
I know all of the standard, open-theist verses.God did say "now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me." ...
Genesis 22:12 (KJV) And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for **now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.**
And Jesus didn't know the time of His second coming. And His was the Word/God.
And God can get surprised. ...
Jeremiah 19:5 (KJV) They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not, nor spake it, neither came it into my mind:
So how do you explain all that without being dogmatic?
I know all of the standard, open-theist verses.
What are all the standard answers?
All the anthropomorphic language in scripture that open theists assert prove God doesn't know everything, and changes His mind.What are all the standard answers?
Can God know a future he did not determine?All the anthropomorphic language in scripture that open theists assert prove God doesn't know everything, and changes His mind.
I don't know. Can He?Can God know a future he did not determine?
Tell me.
Can God know a future he did not determine?
I don't know. Can He?
Tell me.
He can. Do you agree?
Absolutely.He can. Do you agree?
Our Calvinists friends like to play games here.
When I stated he does the question was "how can he"
When another Calvinist stated it - crickets
Yes he canI don't know. Can He?
Tell me.
That doesn't help.He can. Do you agree?
If you're unable to explain it, I understand.
How can He?Yes he can
That doesn't help.
If you're unable to explain it, I understand.
How does God create from nothing? Well, He just wills it and something else other than God appears, with libertarian will other than God's.
How do you explain how God creates from nothing?
I have no idea what you're saying.How does God create from nothing? Well, He just wills it and something else other than God appears, with libertarian will other than God's.
How do you explain how God creates from nothing?
How much does an omniscience God knowHow can He?
All things
It is opinions like yours which fuel open theism
I have no idea what you're saying.
God willed something and it appears. God wills a man with libertarian free will, and he appears. Simple. How is it that you say He can't?
Maybe he believes God cannot?God willed something and it appears. God wills a man with libertarian free will, and he appears. Simple. How is it that you say He can't?