CrowCross
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Fated to make???No he doesn't.
He makes creatures who are doomed to meet the fate he has foreseen for them. Those creatures cannot make any choices other than the ones they've been fated to make.
Fated to make???No he doesn't.
He makes creatures who are doomed to meet the fate he has foreseen for them. Those creatures cannot make any choices other than the ones they've been fated to make.
Does Satan deceive people?Satan doesn't have free reign.
I need God because God created me such that I deserve to go to hell if I fail to worship God.That's why you need Jesus.
He is all-powerful, so yes.Did God choose that?
How else can you explain them not thinking Christianity is true?How's that?
So you are saying God DOES know the future?No. The future has already happened for God........why is your mind stuck in this 3D + time world?
Irrelevant. If God has allowed just one person to be deceived by Satan, then that is something God choose to happen, knowing the consequences, and hence is down to him.Revelation (and other portions of the bible) mentions other things about the future....Guess what? They're beginning to happen now. Look around.
I have no idea where you get that from.Are you now against free will????
But not yet. For thousands of years God has allowed evil to continue. Allowing evil to continue when you could easily stop it is is not the action of a good person.As pointed out....evil will be stopped.
Me.Who say's God has a responsibility to stop evil where He can?
For several reasons...Does Satan deceive people?
If so, why does God let him?
I think you can answer that question...You love your sin.How else can you explain them not thinking Christianity is true?
How does that address the issue? Can you explain it in your own words?For several reasons...
Job has one answer....
Job 1:6One day the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satana also came with them.
7“Where have you come from?” said the LORD to Satan.
“From roaming through the earth,” he replied, “and walking back and forth in it.”
8Then the LORD said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one on earth like him, a man who is blameless and upright, who fears God and shuns evil.”
9Satan answered the LORD, “Does Job fear God for nothing? 10Have You not placed a hedge on every side around him and his household and all that he owns? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11But stretch out Your hand and strike all that he has, and he will surely curse You to Your face.”
12“Very well,” said the LORD to Satan. “Everything he has is in your hands, but you must not lay a hand on the man himself.”
Then Satan went out from the presence of the LORD.
How does that follow?I think you can answer that question...You love your sin.
Sometimes God allows evil to achieve a higher purpose.How does that address the issue? Can you explain it in your own words?
Yes....sin isn't only murder, sexual abuse and lying.How does that follow?
Do you think all 5 billion non-Christians in the world reject Christianity because they love sin?
No....They were not of th elect.Do you think people in pre-Columbus America were not Christians because they love sin?
No.Do you think every Christians is less sinful than every non-Christian?
No.I ask this given seem you think it is morally acceptable to turn a blind eye to a woman being raped?
Is rape wrong...sin? Of course.Or are you now prepared to say that that is morally wrong?
Yes. Fated to make.Fated to make???
Can a section of DNA code designed to produce a motor protein make a flagellum?Yes. Fated to make.
Your god's creations cannot make any choices other than the ones they've been fated to make.
Let us know what you're having trouble understanding and responding to.
Ah, the old "the end justifies the means" excuse.Sometimes God allows evil to achieve a higher purpose.
So what sin do most people love?Yes....sin isn't only murder, sexual abuse and lying.
The Pixie earlier said:I ask this given seem you think it is morally acceptable to turn a blind eye to a woman being raped?
Great, so we both agree that turning a blind eye to a rape would be morally wrong.
Is it????Ah, the old "the end justifies the means" excuse.
Satans deception leads no one to hell......your very own sin nature leads you to hell.What is God's higher purpose in allowing Satan to corrupt and deceive billions of people, leading to them ending up in hell?
Don't know...probably pride. Which one do you love the most?So what sin do most people love?
Who says God turns a blind eye to rape?Great, so we both agree that turning a blind eye to a rape would be morally wrong.
So why does God do that?
Are you now going to play the "what if" game on every bad thing you can think of? We live in a fallen world.If you want to play the "free will" card, please explain why he does not give a hoot about the free will of the victim.
That appears to be what you are saying. It is okay if God allows Satan to do what he wants, leading to billions ending up in hell, because "Sometimes God allows evil to achieve a higher purpose."Is it????
Okay, so it is the nature I was born with.Satans deception leads no one to hell......your very own sin nature leads you to hell.
You do not know? You are certain most of the world love sin, but you do not actually know what sin? Sounds like you are just trying to rationalise away God's immorality to me.Don't know...probably pride. Which one do you love the most?
Rape statistics.Who says God turns a blind eye to rape?
Read the quote above. Nearly half a million rapes/sexual assaults a year just in the US. God could have stopped every single one, but he chose not to.Are you now going to play the "what if" game on every bad thing you can think of? We live in a fallen world.
It was stated that your god creates free creatures.Can a section of DNA co.. [ off-topic PRATT deleted ..]
Once again...Satan and what he does..or his minions...don't send you to hell. Let me know when you understand that point...so we can move on.That appears to be what you are saying. It is okay if God allows Satan to do what he wants, leading to billions ending up in hell, because "Sometimes God allows evil to achieve a higher purpose."
Because God exist in a realm much higher than our 3D + time realm...and knows the beginning from the end...that means we don't have free-will?It was stated that your god creates free creatures.
This is false, because they can only choose what your god has fated them to choose.
Got anything relevant to the discussion?
I get that. God sends people to hell to punish them (Mat 25).Once again...Satan and what he does..or his minions...don't send you to hell. Let me know when you understand that point...so we can move on.
Because they have free will.I get that. God sends people to hell to punish them (Mat 25).
Why do they deserve to be punished? Because of the sin nature that everyone is born with. Who is to blame for that sin nature? Not the individual; they cannot help how they are born.
So it seems that God sends people to help to punish them for how God made them.
Do you think Satan plays a role is that?Because they have free will.
God sends people to hell because they reject the gospel of Christ.
Yes.Do you think Satan plays a role is that?
"Who is to blame for that sin nature"?....Thats a whole new branch to this topic. It deals with stuff such as "Federal headship"..I get that. God sends people to hell to punish them (Mat 25).
Why do they deserve to be punished? Because of the sin nature that everyone is born with. Who is to blame for that sin nature? Not the individual; they cannot help how they are born.
When you understand Federal headship and how sin entered and why we sin...you'll realize we were not made that way by God.So it seems that God sends people to help to punish them for how God made them.