God Has A Design For His Church

[Watchdog]

But I've never said that. Calvinists don't say that. Reformed don't say that.

So, show your evidence that we've said that.

Then you need to learn to read.

Nope. Im saying that you lied when you said I believe one has to "accept Jesus as their savior".

Though the calling and regeneration of the Holy Spirit, as the result of the finished work of Christ.

See, you folks are all over the place. I have read time after time on these boards is that all one has to do is accept Jesus as the Savior and one is in, but now you reference Calvanism? A Calvanist, oh my! They sure have thought up a whole lot of crazy things, you know all that predestination stuff. Is that what you are? If so, that explains everything.

 

[Watchdog]

Prove that claim or stop making false claims.

So, just believing in Christ and one is saved is now out of the protestor community? I'm shocked at this turn of events, shocked I tell you!

 

[Nondenom40]

God

But not to any person or persons? You're stuck with him regardless of what he does? That's not biblical in the least. Peter was held accountable. Your pope isnt?

 

[Arch Stanton]

But not to any person or persons?

Are you not familiar with hierarchy?

 

[JohnDeVitoOfOld]

Sounds like Protestantism.

You totally ignored what I said in favor of winging some tired nonsense about "us v them". You just display that you care nothing of Christ and just want to defend your church. SMH

 

[Mike McK]

See, you folks are all over the place.
I have read time after time on these boards is that all one has to do is accept Jesus as the Savior and one is in, but now you reference Calvanism? A Calvanist, oh my! They sure have thought up a whole lot of crazy things, you know all that predestination stuff. Is that what you are? If so, that explains everything.

The difference is that we can back up our beliefs with scripture. The best you say is, "Well, that's what the Catholic Church tells us".

I'm sorry you feel the Gospel is "crazy".

 

[Mike McK]

I notice that the mods deleted my post.

I wonder if it ever occurred to the mods that if they would just do something about the trolls, they wouldn't have to worry about my responses to the trolls.

 

[Nondenom40]

Are you not familiar with hierarchy?

Peter was held accountable. Your pope can't be?

 

[Arch Stanton]

Peter was held accountable. Your pope can't be?

Code of Canon Law 330-332

 

[Nondenom40]

Code of Canon Law 330-332

I'm not looking up any code. Just tell us why Peter can be called to the carpet but your pope cant.

 

[Atemi]

11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

14 Do all things without murmurings and disputings: (Phil 2)

Did you get that?

No salvation by works anywhere in there, dog. You simply ain't as great as you think you are.

 

[Atemi]

Peter was held accountable. Your pope can't be?

The cults have similar views around their Dear Leaders.

 

[JohnDeVitoOfOld]

No salvation by works anywhere in there, dog. You simply ain't as great as you think you are.

Putting Scripture at odds with Scripture in order to win. This is a misuse of God's word.

Trying to make v12 mean that we earn salvation by our own words only conflicts with the next verse which tells us that our works are God working though us. it ignores what Paul said in Phil 1:6. It also conflicts with Paul's saying elsewhere that we ought to work out what God has worked in.

 

[Watchdog]

No salvation by works anywhere in there, dog. You simply ain't as great as you think you are.

I never said anything about works. That passage sustains my claim that we are part of our own salvation through - wait for it - making the correct choice and choosing Christ. We have to do something don't we? It's either accept or reject the Lord, no?

 

[Watchdog]

Putting Scripture at odds with Scripture in order to win. This is a misuse of God's word.

Trying to make v12 mean that we earn salvation by our own words only conflicts with the next verse which tells us that our works are God working though us. it ignores what Paul said in Phil 1:6. It also conflicts with Paul's saying elsewhere that we ought to work out what God has worked in.

You are another one that misses the mark. I never said we can earn our own salvation, but we are a part of the salvation process by the choices each of us make. Is that right or wrong?

 

[Watchdog]

The difference is that we can back up our beliefs with scripture

As we can do. Where is all this "predestination? Or the double "predestination? Is there a third or a fourth, how far are you taking it?

 

[Mike McK]

we are a part of the salvation process by the choices each of us make. Is that right or wrong?

Wrong.

 

[Watchdog]

I'm sorry you feel the Gospel is "crazy".

Not the gospel, but what you people have done with it. Is there a fifth predestination or a sixth perhaps?

 

[Watchdog]

Wrong.

That goes against common sense. But hey, you go ahead and keep wallowing in your "predestination" process no matter how many you think are required.

 

[Mike McK]

As we can do.

No, you can't. That's why you haven't shown us where Mary's sinlessness, Mary's perpetual virginity, Mary's ascension, prayers to dead Mary, or your latest silliness, that our salvation is the result of our own choices.

Where is all this "predestination?

I would think the most obvious would be Ephesians 1:5, which literally says we have been predestined.

And then, there are also:

Romans 8:29-30
Romans 9:11
Ephesians 1:11

There are many more, but since you've shown that you don't take God's Word seriously, nor are you sincere in your questions, that's all you get.