Where in Scripture does it state His body of flesh would be temporary?
Why do you feel the need to strip Him of His humanity?
Also, why do you deny His words about His own body?
Why do we think Jesus is still a Man in a human body?
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Where in Scripture does it state His body of flesh would be temporary?
Why do you feel the need to strip Him of His humanity?
Also, why do you deny His words about His own body?
Sethproton
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Concerning temporary? Heb 10 speaks of a temporary purpose. Are you even reading the scripture?
Theo1689
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So I'm guessing you're claiming there is a verse that says, "And since he no longer needed his flesh body, he got rid of it"? Where is that verse found, seth?
Theo1689
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So you think "flesh body" is a synonym for "purpose"?!
"Are you even reading scripture", seth?!
How do you get temporary body out of temporary purpose?
And what bible version are you reading?
Theo1689
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1) Do you hold to "sola Scriptura"? (It appears not.)
2) Do you think it's valid to simply make ASSUMPTIONS about God, and then try to force those ASSUMPTIONS onto others?
Sethproton
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Generally I use the NAS.
And you are saying that you don't see any connection between a temporary body given to Jesus for a one time purpose, to be a sacrifice, you don't see the slighest connection between a temp purpose and a temp body given for that purpose?
Sethproton
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Heb 10:5-10 A body was given to be used as a sacrifice - How do you get from that, that the body is meant for eternity?
The body was offered once for all - how would you get from this passage that the body would continue on?
Sethproton
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Of course not, and you know nothing was said like that.
the body was given FOR a purpose. The body was not the purpose
Sethproton
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I only advance doctrines here that I see in scripture. I don't get ideas from any other place than the Bible.
You assume that because I disagree with you that I got the ideas from outside the Word
Absolutely not.
Please tell us when He ceased being a human in a body….because Jesus thoroughly refuted that heretical idea.
The doctrine you’re advancing in this thread isn’t biblical.
Sethproton
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Hard to talk with you when you refuse to discuss scripture. Hebrews 10 is the passage in question. You claim you don't see the passage stating that the body was given for a specific purpose. Is that not in your version?
Sethproton
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Why do you consider denial and name calling a legit form of Bible discussion?
If you want to talk scripture, let us do it, but don't just cite a reference then run away to something else without discussion of the verse you cite.
When all you can offer is that something is not Biblical, what you are saying is that I don't align with YOUR doctrine
Pot meet kettle.
And it doesn't even even hint at a temporary body.
Point out where it states that He is no longer a man in a human body.
10 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once [a]purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:
“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”
8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, [b]O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 10 By that will we have been [c]sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest stands ministering daily and offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins forever, sat down at the right hand of God, 13 from that time waiting till His enemies are made His footstool. 14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being [d]sanctified.
15 But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,
16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I will write them,” 17 then He adds, “Their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.” 18 Now where there is [e]remission of these, there is no longer an offering for sin.
19 Therefore, brethren, having boldness[f] to enter the Holiest by the blood of Jesus, 20 by a new and living way which He consecrated for us, through the veil, that is, His flesh, 21 and having a High Priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water. 23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. 24 And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, 25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. 28 Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,” [g]says the Lord. And again, “The Lord will judge His people.” 31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32 But recall the former days in which, after you were [h]illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings: 33 partly while you were made a spectacle both by reproaches and tribulations, and partly while you became companions of those who were so treated; 34 for you had compassion on [i]me in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your [j]goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves [k]in heaven. 35 Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. 36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:
37 “For yet a little while,
And He[l] who is coming will come and will not [m]tarry.
38 Now the[n] just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.”
39 But we are not of those who draw back to [o]perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.
No one called you any names, anywhere....I'm pointing out that your entire thread is unbiblical, yet you try to claim your heretical views are from the bible. They aren't.
Theo1689
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Seth, this is a logical fallacy.
YOU made the positive claim that "His flesh body was temporary". When challenged on it, you are simply trying to shift the burden of proof to us to prove it was meant for eternity.
If you can't substantiate your claims, then don't make them in the first place. You are simply making unsubstantiated ASSUMPTIONS.
Perhaps you have forgotten that Jesus STILL had his flesh body after His resurrection (remember, Thomas touched it?).
So your assumption is false.
Theo1689
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Great!
Then you just admitted that Hebrews does NOT teach that his body was temporary.
I think you need to apologize to 4Him for your snarky remarks.
Theo1689
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Great!
Then show us the verse "in the Bible" that teaches "Christ's flesh body was only temporary".
Don't give us rationalizations and guesses and assumptions.
Don't give us red herring verses about "his purpose".
Show us where it teaches that "His BODY" was temporary.
Well, you certainly didn't get them from INSIDE the word!
Sethproton
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Scripture has meaning. If heb 10 claims that a body was given so that it could be used as a sacrifice, then that should be included in our doctrine. Is that the whole story? Of course not. But it is an important part of the story.
I am not assuming that the body was given to be sacrificed. Scripture states that.
And in Heb 10, that is what you should learn about His body.
Other facts will be found in other verses, but I will not read Heb 10, and that make statements that are not addressed there