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I'm afraid you will never be able to rationally demonstrate that.
But keep telling yourself it is so..... maybe that will make it so.... right?
Based on grammar and context, Jesus is the True God in 1 John 5:20
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I'm afraid you will never be able to rationally demonstrate that.
But keep telling yourself it is so..... maybe that will make it so.... right?
I agree, because I am dealing with an irrational person.
Barnes is not an authority from God...God authorized Jesus and Jesus authorized the apostles.
Luke 10:16
He that heareth you heareth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me.
So lets break it down...
20 And we know that the Son of God is come, God sent his son a man.
and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true,Jesus teaches us to know the Father...
John 17:25
O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ.
we are in the true God when we are in his Son...
John 15:5
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
This is the true God, and eternal life.
So the father alone is the true God who sent his son Jesus a man...
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
You are claiming that the scripture is purpously open to more than one interpretation; not having one obvious meaning....if that is the case then God is the author of confusion...
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.Jesus
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Jesus
5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. Jesus
6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked. Jesus
8 Again, a new commandment I write unto you, which thing is true in him and in you: because the darkness is past, and the true light now shineth. Jesus
12 I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name's sake. Jesus
13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father. Jesus
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Vs 20- 24 the author is referring to God the father...
Your foolishness is amazing...If jesus was god this would have been a good opportunity fot John to say so...1 Ln 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
We don't have to confess that Jesus is God, because Jesus is not God...if he was John would have told us to confess that Jesus is God
You are encouraging a person to rape the scripture...15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. The scripture does not tell us to confess that Jesus is God...
Thanks for making the Unitarian mess even worse with your responses.
Unitarian confusion concerning 1 John 2:20.
The Jehovah's Witnesses (and keiw is a Jehovah's Witness) affirm "the Holy One" is in reference to Jehovah.
The Watchtower: The 144,000 “have an anointing from the holy one," Jehovah (1 John 2:20) (Who Really Have a Heavenly Calling?, March 15, 1991, page 19)
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1991204
Keep up the awful work!
There's more of a mess
You asserted "Jesus".
But your fellow Unitarian heretic believes otherwise.
- The King of Kings and Lord of Lords who dwells in unapproachable light
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know: (KJV) Acts 2:22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by...
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For the following you wrote "all Jesus".
1 John 3:19 (Him)
1 John 3:24 (His; Him; He X3)
1 John 4:4 (He)
1 John 4:13 (Him; He X2; His)
1 John 4:17 (He)
1 John 4:19 (He)
Lots of confusion with the above.
- Is the Father called "my God" in John 20:28?
Put to death in the flesh, but raised alive in the spirit. Dont forget he appeared behind a locked door-mortal flesh cannot do that. My Bible says BY The Spirit.
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even the demons know that Jesus is the Holy One...
Mark 1:24
Saying, Let us alone; what have we to do with thee, thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee who thou art, the Holy One of God.
Acts 2:27
Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
God did not allow His Holy One to see corruption... The scriptures disagree with you...
So is God.
Revelation 16:5
And I heard the angel of the waters saying, “Righteous are You, who are and who were, O Holy One, because You judged these things. (NASB)
I don't have a label as you do, I am not a unitarian or any denomination...I am showing you facts supported by the scripture so your argument iswith the scripture notme...the scriture saus jesus is the Holy one...
Acts 2:
25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:
26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.
28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
To be the Son of God in reference to Jesus is to be God.
The Lord Jesus is affirmed to be "the Son of God" by Paul in Acts 9:20 which is immediately followed by the fact that believers "call upon" (pray to) the Lord Jesus which proves He is God.
Yes, you are.
By the way, you didn't give a response to these:
1 John 4:21 (Him)
1 John 5:14 (Him; His; He)
1 John 5:15 (He; Him)
1 John 5:20 (Him X2; He; true God)
3 John 1:7 (Name)
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Isaiah 40:25
To whom then will ye liken me, or shall I be equal? saith the Holy One. (KJV)
BDAG (3rd Edition): of God 1 John 2:20 (hagios, page 11).
Unitarian heretics make a massive mess when trying to differentiate between their creator and their creature-jesus.
Nope, it is referring to Jesus ...“Righteous are You, who are and who were",...because they refer to his death...God did not die...
that does not make me a unitarian... if it does by the same standard it makes you a silly person. People claim what they are I made no such claim.
People make claims who they are but that doesn't necessitate they are all accurate.
You are still ignoring these:
1 John 4:21 (Him)
1 John 5:14 (Him; His; He)
1 John 5:15 (He; Him)
1 John 5:20 (Him X2; He; true God)
3 John 1:7 (Name)
That does not affect my theology as much as it affects yours...you have three equal Gods...
on whose authority?
You have a greater problem trying to explain to the Holy One how he has two others equal to him...
I still have one Triune God. You and your fellow Unitarian heretics can't figure out who is your creator and who is your creature-jesus.
This is really nice to see.
You can be the first!
- Trinitarians have a pronoun problem
YHWH did not make himself a man. Jesus is the son and servant of YHWH. YHWH The Son BECAME a MAN. Case closed.
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