Duh both of you are wrong
within a very short time he was answered
while you never answer certain questions and he never deals with rebuttal
A classic case of projection
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Molinism
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within a very short time he was answered
while you never answer certain questions and he never deals with rebuttal
A classic case of projection
Is it your position God doesn't hate?Why are you changing the topic?
What you asked previously was answered
However God is love so he cannot help but to love
God is not free to violate his own nature
That is because only Calvinist claim God determined everything you think say or doNo, it doesn't, you do. I've never heard a Calvinist describe men as pupets. Only Arminians do that.
The puppet master can only control what the puppet does
The calvinist goes one up and has man thoughts and desires determined as well
Except that is not my positionProve to me that is beyond the power of God to make the voluntary acts of men an absolute certainty, and I'll be forced to adopt your position.
God can do whatever he wants
The real question is what does he do
Calvinism makes him a puppet master
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AmenThere we go again, finding common ground! ?
I didn’t say that.
Is God free? Can he change his mind? If not, does this imply that God is determined; that he necessarily has to do all that he has or will ever do?
Doug
Not unconditionallyIs it your position God doesn't hate?
and hated no one savifically before the foundation of the world as you hold
God hates, thank you.Not unconditionally
and hated no one savifically before the foundation of the world as you hold
God also loves.
Reformedguy
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So a free will is not necessary for genuine love. End of discussionWhy are you changing the topic?
What you asked previously was answered
However God is love so he cannot help but to love
God is not free to violate his own nature
Reformedguy
Well-known member
Who brought up robots? Simply a vain attempt at deflection. Mr. Molinism expert is not such a experrHe never does.
You must not have given that response much thoughtSo a free will is not necessary for genuine love. End of discussion
Either you must posit God does not have free will
Or you equate man with God
No one unconditionallyGod hates, thank you.
Reformedguy
Well-known member
Just pointing out the will does not need be free to love.You must not have given that response much thought
Either you must posit God does not have free will
Or you equate man with God
His will is free yet bound by His nature. He cannot lie for instance.
A puppet does not love and if it has to be determined it is not true loveJust pointing out the will does not need be free to love.
His will is free yet bound by His nature. He cannot lie for instance.
you arguing God not does not have free will?
Reformedguy
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Puppets also are not conscious sentient beings are they? Of course not. Your caricature is stupid.A puppet does not love and if it has to be determined it is not true love
you arguing God not does not have free will?
I answered. His will is free yet constrained by His nature. He is not free to lie.
This will be my last reply. This thread has to do with Molinism. Your self proclaimed expertise has not materialized. I will await some other replies. Good talk.
Again do you claim God does not have free willPuppets also are not conscious sentient beings are they? Of course not. Your caricature is stupid.
I answered. His will is free yet constrained by His nature. He is not free to lie.
This will be my last reply. This thread has to do with Molinism. Your self proclaimed expertise has not materialized. I will await some other replies. Good talk.
Why do you not reply
NonsenseAgain do you claim God does not have free will
Are you answering for Reformedguy?Nonsense
Yes. I'm certain He knows God has a free will.Are you answering for Reformedguy?
I am not so sureYes. I'm certain He knows God has a free will.
Can you explain why he did not answer then?
I have been studying Molinism alot lately. I see many problems with it. One is I believe it violates God's aseity and also smells of Open Theism and question begs LFW.
Anyone else see the same issues?
Molonism isn't open theism, it is repackaged Calvinism.
Molonism just changes where the future is fixed from eternity past (i.e. Calvinism) to the point of creation.
Of course you're not.I am not so sure
No.Can you explain why he did not answer then?