rather than just run awayYou got to run the wickets of the investigation.
rather than just run awayYou got to run the wickets of the investigation.
Plus the commonplace Tu quoque fallacy . It’s the most popular one amongst them . It’s what Augustine did with Pelagius. It’s the old apple not falling far from the tree principle and the birds of a feather concept .rather than just run away
Any excuse or method to avoid actually dealing with objectionsPlus the commonplace Tu quoque fallacy . It’s the most popular one amongst them . It’s what Augustine did with Pelagius. It’s the old apple not falling far from the tree principle and the birds of a feather concept .
It’s what happens when one cannot defend their beliefs and their errors are expose . It become personal with attacking .Any excuse or method to avoid actually dealing with objections
Any excuse or method to avoid actually dealing with objections
Excellent !!!My Objections to Calvinism ...Deal With it!
First on the hit list would be Unconditional Election.
They don't believe in salvation by faith. They believe in salvation by election. And would like us to believe that "election" occurs before you are born. So for the Calvinist, the elect are never not saved. Even prior to coming to faith they are never in danger of eternal condemnation. You just can't get more sanctimonious than that.
And it sure doesn't jive with the word of God:
"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath." Eph 2:1-3 and "it is by grace you have been saved, through faith" Eph 2:8
Their view of election is also inconsistent with what Paul told the Philippian jailor who asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't reply, "If you're elect you're already saved", but rather said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved." Acts 16:30,31 Showing that one's salvation is not conditioned upon some hypothetical unconditional "elect" status, but rather it is conditioned upon faith. A ton of such verses support this view and have been posted on this forum that they have never dealt with.
Number 2 on the hit parade Is Total Depravity
They actually believe in "total depravity", which by their definition includes the inability to refrain from evil. And yet, throw the concept of "justice" out the window, and still hold that God hold's people accountable for things over which they have no control. And not only with respect to behavior, but they also hold the prejudicial concept of imputed sin whereby people are reckoned guilty of the sins of their ancestors. While the Scriptures declare that God is just, the they worship a different god, an unjust god.
Cop-out # 3 Is their myopic view of “Sovereignty”
The god of Calvinism is viewed as incapable of creating free will creatures. He is limited to creating mere puppets. I often refer to Calvinistic theology as a puppet theology. Their god's sovereignty incorporates controlling every particular thing. That being the case, their god controls people's behavior. When people sin, which they admit is not under their control, it is their god who is sinning, and yet condemns his puppets. Apparently, their god, playing with his puppets, pretends his puppets sin, while in fact he knows that he is the one doing so as the puppet master.
I saved the worst for last... #4 The Insufficiency of the Atonement
That would be their view that Jesus' death on the cross as insufficient atonement for sin, but rather his righteous life was imputed to the elect. Their god pretends that the elect lived Christ's righteous lifestyle, never sinning, rather than the view that Christ's death pays for their sins. This one is so bad I'm going to dig a bit deeper into it. It is why many are known as four-pointers—holding to TUIP, but denying L, limited atonement.
They can dress this one up and make it look good, but does it work? Is limited atonement biblical? Is it consistent with the love of God shown in Jesus Christ and expressed in the New Testament many times in many ways as seen in John 3:16?
Limited atonement is the false idea that God selects only some individuals to be saved. Nowhere is this supported anywhere in the Bible.
Salvation is a free gift made available by the grace of God to all. We are all sinners in need of salvation.
Jesus teaches that the only condition for salvation is that we have genuine faith in Him as Son of God and Savior. Once again John 3:16 is an excellent verse that supports salvation that is based on faith. It's up to each of as individuals to either accept or reject salvation.
And just how would “limited atonement” fit into this verse?
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. and he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world. 1John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
I'm going to make no bones about this. You know better. This is deliberate deception. You KNOW that those whom you call "Calvinists" believe in, and teach, salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Jesus Christ alone. You also know that we believe in God's election.My Objections to Calvinism ...Deal With it!
First on the hit list would be Unconditional Election.
They don't believe in salvation by faith. They believe in salvation by election.
Eph. 1:3-6 (KJV)And would like us to believe that "election" occurs before you are born.
ditto there sure is.there is demonic activity on this board,
OK but why tell me to deal with it?My Objections to Calvinism ...Deal With it!
First on the hit list would be Unconditional Election.
They don't believe in salvation by faith. They believe in salvation by election. And would like us to believe that "election" occurs before you are born. So for the Calvinist, the elect are never not saved. Even prior to coming to faith they are never in danger of eternal condemnation. You just can't get more sanctimonious than that.
And it sure doesn't jive with the word of God:
"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath." Eph 2:1-3 and "it is by grace you have been saved, through faith" Eph 2:8
Their view of election is also inconsistent with what Paul told the Philippian jailor who asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't reply, "If you're elect you're already saved", but rather said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved." Acts 16:30,31 Showing that one's salvation is not conditioned upon some hypothetical unconditional "elect" status, but rather it is conditioned upon faith. A ton of such verses support this view and have been posted on this forum that they have never dealt with.
Number 2 on the hit parade Is Total Depravity
They actually believe in "total depravity", which by their definition includes the inability to refrain from evil. And yet, throw the concept of "justice" out the window, and still hold that God hold's people accountable for things over which they have no control. And not only with respect to behavior, but they also hold the prejudicial concept of imputed sin whereby people are reckoned guilty of the sins of their ancestors. While the Scriptures declare that God is just, the they worship a different god, an unjust god.
Cop-out # 3 Is their myopic view of “Sovereignty”
The god of Calvinism is viewed as incapable of creating free will creatures. He is limited to creating mere puppets. I often refer to Calvinistic theology as a puppet theology. Their god's sovereignty incorporates controlling every particular thing. That being the case, their god controls people's behavior. When people sin, which they admit is not under their control, it is their god who is sinning, and yet condemns his puppets. Apparently, their god, playing with his puppets, pretends his puppets sin, while in fact he knows that he is the one doing so as the puppet master.
I saved the worst for last... #4 The Insufficiency of the Atonement
That would be their view that Jesus' death on the cross as insufficient atonement for sin, but rather his righteous life was imputed to the elect. Their god pretends that the elect lived Christ's righteous lifestyle, never sinning, rather than the view that Christ's death pays for their sins. This one is so bad I'm going to dig a bit deeper into it. It is why many are known as four-pointers—holding to TUIP, but denying L, limited atonement.
They can dress this one up and make it look good, but does it work? Is limited atonement biblical? Is it consistent with the love of God shown in Jesus Christ and expressed in the New Testament many times in many ways as seen in John 3:16?
Limited atonement is the false idea that God selects only some individuals to be saved. Nowhere is this supported anywhere in the Bible.
Salvation is a free gift made available by the grace of God to all. We are all sinners in need of salvation.
Jesus teaches that the only condition for salvation is that we have genuine faith in Him as Son of God and Savior. Once again John 3:16 is an excellent verse that supports salvation that is based on faith. It's up to each of as individuals to either accept or reject salvation.
And just how would “limited atonement” fit into this verse?
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. and he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world. 1John 2:2
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Yes, it's been rather obviousIt’s what happens when one cannot defend their beliefs and their errors are expose . It become personal with attacking .
I was going along with your post. Backing you up as in "I got your 6". Team Truth. Your on point and I'm back-up.OK but why tell me to deal with it?
That's why I'm back-up for Team Truth. Personal attacks are the bait of Satan. I avoid the trap.It’s what happens when one cannot defend their beliefs and their errors are expose . It become personal with attacking .
Amen brother.That's why I'm back-up for Team Truth. Personal attacks are the bait of Satan. I avoid the trap.
God is Truth...Amen brother.
Yours Truly , Team Truth !
hope this helps !!!
First on the hit list would be Unconditional Election.
They don't believe in salvation by faith.
They believe in salvation by election.
And would like us to believe that "election" occurs before you are born.
So for the Calvinist, the elect are never not saved.
Even prior to coming to faith they are never in danger of eternal condemnation. You just can't get more sanctimonious than that.
And it sure doesn't jive with the word of God:
"As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath." Eph 2:1-3 and "it is by grace you have been saved, through faith" Eph 2:8
Their view of election is also inconsistent with what Paul told the Philippian jailor who asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?" Paul didn't reply, "If you're elect you're already saved", but rather said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved."
Acts 16:30,31 Showing that one's salvation is not conditioned upon some hypothetical unconditional "elect" status,
but rather it is conditioned upon faith.
Number 2 on the hit parade Is Total Depravity
They actually believe in "total depravity", which by their definition includes the inability to refrain from evil. And yet, throw the concept of "justice" out the window,
and still hold that God hold's people accountable for things over which they have no control.
And not only with respect to behavior, but they also hold the prejudicial concept of imputed sin whereby people are reckoned guilty of the sins of their ancestors.
While the Scriptures declare that God is just, the they worship a different god, an unjust god.
Cop-out # 3 Is their myopic view of “Sovereignty”
The god of Calvinism is viewed as incapable of creating free will creatures. He is limited to creating mere puppets.
I often refer to Calvinistic theology as a puppet theology. Their god's sovereignty incorporates controlling every particular thing. That being the case, their god controls people's behavior.
When people sin, which they admit is not under their control, it is their god who is sinning,
and yet condemns his puppets. Apparently, their god, playing with his puppets, pretends his puppets sin, while in fact he knows that he is the one doing so as the puppet master.
I saved the worst for last... #4 The Insufficiency of the Atonement
That would be their view that Jesus' death on the cross as insufficient atonement for sin, but rather his righteous life was imputed to the elect.
Their god pretends that the elect lived Christ's righteous lifestyle, never sinning, rather than the view that Christ's death pays for their sins.
This one is so bad I'm going to dig a bit deeper into it. It is why many are known as four-pointers—holding to TUIP, but denying L, limited atonement.
They can dress this one up and make it look good, but does it work? Is limited atonement biblical? Is it consistent with the love of God shown in Jesus Christ and expressed in the New Testament many times in many ways as seen in John 3:16?
Limited atonement is the false idea that God selects only some individuals to be saved. Nowhere is this supported anywhere in the Bible.
Salvation is a free gift made available by the grace of God to all.
Jesus teaches that the only condition for salvation is that we have genuine faith in Him as Son of God and Savior.
Once again John 3:16 is an excellent verse that supports salvation that is based on faith. It's up to each of as individuals to either accept or reject salvation.
And just how would “limited atonement” fit into this verse?
He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. and he is the propitiation for our sins; and not for ours only, but also for the whole world. 1John 2:2
That’s like asking is the spirit of truth on my team ?God is Truth...
Is he on the Team?
That’s like asking is the spirit of truth on my team ?
Is Jesus on your team ?
Is the Father on your team ?
What kind of question is that ?
Ok got youI was going along with your post. Backing you up as in "I got your 6". Team Truth. Your on point and I'm back-up.
You know me, I'm always going somewhere...That’s like asking is the spirit of truth on my team ?
Is Jesus on your team ?
Is the Father on your team ?
What kind of question is that ?