Lastdaysbeliever
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You mean the Rcc, right? Not the universal church, body of Christ, born-again believers, right?
"Eucharistic miracle" in Zapotlanejo, Mexico?
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You mean the Rcc, right? Not the universal church, body of Christ, born-again believers, right?
pilgrim
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Correct.
Did Jesus establish denominations? No, they are all man made and outside the Church. You have been told this as well.
Lastdaysbeliever
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No, just as He didn't establish the Rcc, for the umpteenth time.
Bonnie
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Where does the Bible say the definition isThe Roman Catholic Church?
Bonnie
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Did Jesus establish the Roman Catholic Church, headquartered in Rome, headed by one man and a Magisterium? A man who lives in a lavish palace surrounded by works of art worth millions of dollars? A man who was often, over the centuries, licentious and corrupt? A man who was more interested in power and politics than in spreading the true Gospel message?
The church universal is the body of Christ, those who worship Him as Lord and God and Savior, trusting Him only for salvation, great and free. The Bible belongs to them. Or are you really insinuating that the Bible is the property ONLY of the Roman Catholic Church?
Bonnie
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No. Neither did He establish the Roman Catholic Church, headquartered in Rome, headed by one man and a Magisterium.
You can tell us til the Second Coming but that won't make you correct. Your church fits the definition of "denomination" quite well, so do not kid yourself.
No one who believes in Jesus Christ as Lord and God and Savior, and trusts in Him only for salvation, great and free, is "outside the church." In fact, such a person is very much INSIDE the true church--far more than any of your popes.
A new day
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Before you start mocking others, you might want to start cleaning your own house first. No I don' t mean your personal home, but your denomination. Your own cardinal theodore mccarrick, for 50 yrs hosted orgies at his beach house, that included harming little boys and young priests against their wills. He used his position of authority to do this. Criminal charges were brought against him. The rcc did their own investigation in 2019 and it was found that his criminal conduct along with many other high ups in the rcc, who also participated was indeed true. He was defrocked in 2019 , which should of happened back in the early 1980's when john paul ll became aware of it. Instead rc leaders hid the knowledge, and allowed him to continue. And now the current rc pope recently participated in pagan rituals along with a dozen cardinals. Don't believe me, go look it up. All of this is public news.
Our Lord's God
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The definition of the church in the Bible is all those in whom the Spirit of God dwells, and only those who walk by that Spirit.
In the Bible, the church is not defined as those ascribing to a particular doctrine or particular set of doctrines or those submitting to a particular group of men as their authority.
Which is not the bad tree, the RCC.
Where did he say it was the bad tree, the RCC, which would allow evil to flourish.
The poster didn't mention a denomination at all. The RCC is the first denomination and it is NEVER mentioned.
Southsider071
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The concept of "eucharistic miracles" isn't a new one at all in the RCC. They've been a recurring theme in the RCC since Innocent III came up with the dogma of transubstantiation in 1215. Sort of tied into the idea of "eucharistic desecration" where non-catholics were accused of abducting a communion wafer from a RC church and subjecting the wafer to torture, burning or crucifixion. This kind of case was cracked by a speaking or bleeding communion wafer who would drop the dime on the miscreants.
Jesus NEVER established the RCC, if He did it would have been mentioned in scripture and it isn't. Let us look at what scriptures tells us about the church and see if your institution (the bad tree) meets those standards.
acts 20:28
Pay careful attention to yourselves and to all the flock, in which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to care for the church of God, which he obtained with his own blood.
No your institution has not cared for the church of God at all. The leaders have not paid attention to themselves, they were not made overseers by the HS, if they were they would meet the requirements set down in scripture for leaders. The RCC leaders fail those requirements.
Eph2:20+
Built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.
Your institution is not a holy temple in any way or form. If it was holy the leaders would not have orgies, have sex with children, harm children, teach false doctrines, make false claims etc. We know it is not built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets because the leaders do not meet the standards of the apostles, they do not teach what the apostles taught and they do not act like the apostles act.
Col 3:
Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
We know the word of Christ does not dwell in the RCC. We have seen RCs throw doubt on God's word which is throwing doubt on Jesus, who is the word. They insult it and belittle it. They misuse it and add to it etc.
Eph 4:16
From whom the whole body, joined and held together by every joint with which it is equipped, when each part is working properly, makes the body grow so that it builds itself up in love.
We have seen in the posts of RCs how they do not know what godly love truly is. We have seen the love of the RCC it has gone from killing others, torturing others to know blessing pagan idols and condoning their practices. The leaders have harmed the sheep by teaching false doctrines, putting themselves above others, molesting children, raping women, having children outside marriage, hosting orgies etc. Yep no love.
I could go on with more scriptures the RCC fails to meet but the message is clear. Jesus did not establish the RCC.
The way was individual churches in the towns. No pope and they taught the truth not the false doctrines of the RCC.
pilgrim
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And there was only one Church when Scripture was penned. All the "churches" that popped up afterwards are not included. They are outside the Church.
Our Lord's God
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Like yours?
pilgrim
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Because there was no need to say that. There was only ONE CHURCH.
pilgrim
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A new day
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When Scripture was being penned, the early church was vastly different in character, nature and belief, than it was after imperial rome inserted itself. And definitely different than todays' rcc.
No one in the church, in the body of Christ, can be outside of the church. Even your apostate church calls non Catholic christians separated BRETHREN. You can't be a brethren and not belong of the body of Christ.