I reject the Rcc, its pope, its marian dogmas, its claim to be the one, true church..

That is by no means an "ex-cathedra" pronouncement! My gosh! Talk about ultra-montane!

I have only ever heard that two things have been considered to have been pronounced "Ex-Cathedra" and both of those are the Marian doctrines. And this is from theologians prior to the evil second Vatican Council. In fact, the definition of the IC by Pius IX was allegedly a "test case" of whether the pope can define doctrine.

In the second place, again, even IF it is "ex-Cathedra" the historical context in which that statement appears tells you what Boniface is attempting to do. Matters of salvation--mean--that the pope, not the king is the ultimate authority in the Church. I am growing tired of explaining this to you.
So are seriously trying to say that the only two dogmas Catholics are bound to believe are the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption and that everything else is up for grabs?

Have you even read the Bull? Of course Una Sanctam was Dei fide. Look at the language; "Urged by faith, we are OBLIGED to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins"

"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we DEFINE that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Clearly the Bull is universal in nature. The language is declaratory in regard to Faith and morals, it is meant for the entire Church, and is done with the authority of the papal office.

The "historical context" tact is one used by modernists to try to contextualize and dilute Church teaching so as to say that dogmas "evolve" according to circumstance. Evolution of dogma has been condemned by "obscure" popes in the past which you ignore or have never heard of.
Here is the problem as I see it: today, there is simply TOO much information, TOO much data. A good argument can be made for anything, no matter how absurd. What information and arguments do you trust, what don't you trust? This refers to anything from vaccines, to gender theory, to biblical teaching on homosexuality, to God, to the Church to anything.
In regard to Church teaching, I trust the magisterial teaching of the Church as it has been consistently been taught for nearly 2000 years.
So the Protestant who does "due diligence" and "research" (whatever that means in your mind) goes to Catholic Answers, say, and finds refutations of the standard Protestant arguments. Then they get to thinking "Maybe there is something to Catholicism." Then they go to a Protestant website that refutes those arguments--and--does so quite well. Tit for tat kind of a thing.

My point? With all the data--how is someone who is uncertain, or, even Protestant---supposed to navigate all this data?

I believe the RCC is the Church of Christ. That does not mean I think all of the Protestant arguments have been sufficiently answered or that Protestants have nothing intelligent in the way of defending some of their position. Sure---some of their assertions are patently absurd--the "Catholics worship Mary" nonsense, or "Catholics worship statues." As if we are stupid. But that is more from the fundamentalist end of things that clearly have no idea what they are talking about.

But I have read some powerful defenses of Sola Scriptura and intelligent interactions with Catholic arguments from Protestants who actually have researched Catholicism and attempt to interact with it in a meaningful and intelligent way. What is my point? My mind is made up. At some point you have to make up your mind--becasue there is just too much data out there. As I said, you can find a good argument for ANY position, no matter how absurd. At some point you have to make a leap of Faith--which I have done.

You just seem to think you have all the answers for everything. The reality is, sir, you don't--you just think you do. Sometimes we have to be comfortable with gray areas-----and content to find out when we die. I am willing to grant Protestants of good will and good hearts the benefit of the doubt. You, with an answer for everything are not.
I have never heard a "powerful" defense of Sola Scriptura.

Invincible ignorance has nothing to do with the dogma of extra Ecclesiam nulla salus. I believe in the possibility of there being people of good will who are invincibly ignorant of the truths of the Catholic Faith and that sincerely observe the natural law and its precepts inscribed by God on all hearts and have never committed any mortal sin, that can obtain a baptism of desire. I believe this because that is what the Church teaches and has always taught.

How many of these people there are that are invincibly ignorant and obtain this baptism of desire is known only to God.

But invincible ignorance is not a golden ticket to heaven and it is not a means of salvation.

In the same encyclical, Quanto Conficiamur Moerore, in which the "obscure" Pope Pius IX speaks of the invincibly ignorant, he also says; "Here, too, our beloved sons and venerable brothers, it is again necessary to mention and censure a very grave error entrapping some Catholics who believe that it is possible to arrive at eternal salvation although living in error and alienated from the true faith and Catholic unity. Such belief is certainly opposed to Catholic teaching."

"Also well known is the Catholic teaching that no one can be saved outside the Catholic Church. Eternal salvation cannot be obtained by those who oppose the authority and statements of the same Church and are stubbornly separated from the unity of the Church and also from the successor of Peter, the Roman Pontiff"
 
In the end, it comes down to faith, not study. The idea that one can come to know the Divine Revelation through study of academics and people of academia is Modernism. And the idea that one can read Scripture (and Church Fathers and Councils for that matter) and come up with a list of ‘teachings’ of the church, and then search out people who believe those same things is wholly unbiblical, and for Christians, unreasonable. If one believes that there is a Church given to us by Christ and headed by Him then one much look for that Church, not a set of beliefs.
The Church proposes its doctrines and moral teachings through its authentic magisterium and liturgy. This is through the teaching of the popes in their writings and thru the Church's councils, traditions and liturgy.

The Catholic Church teaches that not just the extraordinary magisterium, but also the universal ordinary magisterium is to be believed with "Divine and Catholic Faith."

“Wherefore, by divine and Catholic faith all those things are to be believed which are contained in the word of God as found in Scripture and tradition, and which are proposed by the Church as matters to be believed as divinely revealed, whether by her solemn judgment or in her ordinary and universal magisterium. - First Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution on the Catholic Faith, Dei Filius, Pope Pius IX, 24 April 1870
If a Catholic believes that they are free to pick and choose what to believe and what not to believe out of the Church's proposed magisterium, you might as well be Protestant.
 
...its claimed "history" of having apostolic succession from Peter until today...well, I just reject everything that is the Rcc but I claim Jesus as my Lord, God and Savior. I repented of my sins, truly turned from my past sins, accepted Jesus, believed on Him that He died and was resurrected for the forgiveness of my sins and was later baptized as a public display of the old man dying and the new creation being risen. Still the Rcc teaches I am anathema. But do you, as a Rc believe I saved?
If you reject these things as you've said then you placed a curse on yourself. I believe you think you're saved, but you're not Catholic.

JoeT
 
If you reject these things as you've said
Ah, finally an honest reply to the OP. That said; If? I plainly stated I reject ALL things rc so there should be no doubt in your mind I reject all things rc. Just to insure you understand what I am declaring.
then you placed a curse on yourself.
Acts 4:12 "Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”
2 Corinthians 5:21 “For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
Acts 16:30-31 “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life."
Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."

I believe you think you're saved,
I know I'm saved. I stand on God's promises and do not "hope" in my salvation.
but you're not Catholic.
The one truth you have written in your comment.
Bless you JoeT

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So are seriously trying to say that the only two dogmas Catholics are bound to believe are the Immaculate Conception and the Assumption and that everything else is up for grabs?
Seriously?

I am saying that the only two dogmas infallibly defined by the POPE are the IC and the Assumption.
Have you even read the Bull? Of course Una Sanctam was Dei fide. Look at the language; "Urged by faith, we are OBLIGED to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins"
So are you saying that the pope infallibly defined this too--and is thus an exercise of papal authority on the exact same level as the IC and Assumption? If so, I have never heard any theologian maintain this.
"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we DEFINE that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Clearly the Bull is universal in nature. The language is declaratory in regard to Faith and morals, it is meant for the entire Church, and is done with the authority of the papal office.

The "historical context" tact is one used by modernists to try to contextualize and dilute Church teaching so as to say that dogmas "evolve" according to circumstance. Evolution of dogma has been condemned by "obscure" popes in the past which you ignore or have never heard of.
Right--so in other words--context has nothing to do with it? We can dismiss historical context as meaningless?
I have never heard a "powerful" defense of Sola Scriptura.
Ever heard of William Whitaker? How about William Goode? George Salmon? Not that I agree with them--but they are fine theologians.

If all you have ever read are caricatures of Sola Scriptura--which I suspect you have, I can understand why you would say what you are saying. In all the debates I have heard---the Catholic apologist usually winds up conflating Solo Scriptura with Sola Scriptura. Catholic priests, apologists, and theologians do not seem to grasp what is and is not being asserted with respect to Sola Scriptura. That doesn't make the doctrine true--it does mean they need to do a better job of listening to Protestants and understanding them before they attempt to debate them.

Catholic theologians need to do a better job articulating what they mean by Tradition, how it relates to Scripture, how Scripture relates to the Church, what, exactly we mean by "inspiration" how that works in relation to the scientific claims of the Bible, etc, in my opinion.
 
Ah, finally an honest reply to the OP. That said; If? I plainly stated I reject ALL things rc so there should be no doubt in your mind I reject all things rc. Just to insure you understand what I am declaring.
If you reject all things the Church teaches, including all doctrine . You've rejected Christ, His mother through whom all graces come, and you reject Scripture itself.
Acts 4:12 "Salvation exists in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved.”
Which is why we don't name our Church "lutheran" after Martin Luther, or Cavin, after John Calvin, or any other man man made religion.
Ephesians 2:8-9 “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.”
This is Catholic teaching, do you reject it as part of the "all things"? Do you make church unto your own doctrine? If so you reject all Scripture.
2 Corinthians 5:21 “For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.”
So, the supposed wrath, man, is "made" righteousness where none exists?
Acts 16:30-31 “Sirs, what must I do to be saved?” So they said, “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you will be saved, you and your household.”
Once again, if you believe you believe the "Body of Christ", the Catholic Church.
John 5:24 "Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life."
if you hear His words and believe without rejection of a single doctrine, or uterance of the Pope, then you are Catholic. Elsewise, who knows what you are? _________________(fill in the blank with your own claim)
Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."
In confession there is both atonement and contrition, one without the other is a false confession. With such a claim will you now reform to Catholicism?
I know I'm saved. I stand on God's promises and do not "hope" in my salvation.
You claim you are saved. To annonce to the world "I am saved" is the sin of arrogance - hence you are not saved.
The one truth you have written in your comment.

Bless you JoeT

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those who do accept those things follow men, not God.

catholics know nothing about being saved.
Catholics are your next crop of Saints. Even plants follow the laws of nature. A rose plant does not produce oranges, rather roses. A apple tree does not produce pears, only apples. Protestantism does not produce saints only cockle.

JoeT
 
If you reject all things the Church teaches, including all doctrine . You've rejected Christ, His mother through whom all graces come, and you reject Scripture itself.
I have never rejected Jesus Christ. I made that clear in my op. You just chose to ignore what I wrote. Concerning the rcc's Mary, absolutely, I reject the mariolatry of the rcc. That part you have right. Kudos. And by rejecting the rcc's Mary I am not rejecting Scripture but holding fast to it. There is not one rc that has ever been able to provide, by Scripture, proof of the marian dogma's. Not one. You want to try? I would really like that, to see a rc prove, through Scripture the rcc's marian dogma's.
Which is why we don't name our Church "lutheran" after Martin Luther, or Cavin, after John Calvin, or any other man man made religion.
Why would you. Your church is named the rcc for the institution that is housed in Rome and created by men. Not a very solid point.
This is Catholic teaching, do you reject it as part of the "all things"? Do you make church unto your own doctrine? If so you reject all Scripture.
Actually it's the Holy Spirit's teaching that He heard from the Father that the inspired writers wrote to teach us what we need for our salvation. This is typical for rc's to try and give their institution credit what is God's due. And to answer your question, yes, I do reject the rcc's teaching on salvation because it's been added to. Ergo, not Scriptural.
So, the supposed wrath, man, is "made" righteousness where none exists?
Who makes us righteous? Who's righteousness are we judged on? Our own?
Once again, if you believe you believe the "Body of Christ", the Catholic Church.
Why are you trying to add to what I have written? That is seriously dishonest.
if you hear His words and believe without rejection of a single doctrine, or uterance of the Pope, then you are Catholic. Elsewise, who knows what you are? _________________(fill in the blank with your own claim)
Born-again. Follower of the Way. Jesus Freak. Child of God. Co-heir. Sojourner. Alien. You choose. I really like this one: "you people" and even "protester". My favorites.
In confession there is both atonement and contrition, one without the other is a false confession. With such a claim will you now reform to Catholicism?
Did you not read the op? I stand on God's promises and not the teachings of your apostate, idolatrous institution.
You claim you are saved.
I stand on God's promises, yes.
To announce to the world "I am saved" is the sin of arrogance
Really...care to illuminate how declaring my salvation is arrogance? I'm giving you a chance to answer this before I retort to avoid being equally harsh.
- hence you are not saved.
You are free to believe whatever you wish about me. It has no bearing on my salvation because God's Word promises I am saved by Grace, through faith and not of works.
Bless you JoeT, I am praying for you.
 
Catholics are your next crop of Saints. Even plants follow the laws of nature. A rose plant does not produce oranges, rather roses. A apple tree does not produce pears, only apples. Protestantism does not produce saints only cockle.

JoeT
Such arrogance....

 
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Why do you say that? Because it writes clearly about the unbiblical theology and dogma's of the rcc? Wait...you don't need to answer because I see you already believe anyone who differs with your church are rc haters. No worries.

bless you JoeT; I'm praying for you.
I'm praying light for you.

JoeT
 
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