Yahchristian
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You changed the caps in one of your statements.
Just to clarify your Trinitarian view...
Do you agree with both of these statements?
A) Jesus is the LORD.
B) Jesus is one of the Persons who is the LORD.
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Jesus is LORD!
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You changed the caps in one of your statements.
Just to clarify your Trinitarian view...
Do you agree with both of these statements?
A) Jesus is the LORD.
B) Jesus is one of the Persons who is the LORD.
who made Jesus Lord?...Jesus is LORD!
Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
That is funny. Do you mean to say that they believe YHWH has three other personalities apart from being YHWH? Sothere are four personalities?I agree !!!
Whereas some on this forum believe...
Jesus is one of three personalities of the LORD.
Note: LORD (all caps) means the underlying Hebrew word is YHWH.
So how many persons are the LORD if Jesus is one of them?Jesus is ONE of the Persons who IS The Lord.
Who made Jesus LORD?Jesus is The LORD,
Is Peter lying here?
Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
Only to those who are blind and deaf.Case closed.
who made Jesus Lord?...
Acts 2:36
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.
He has always been Lord. His resurrection validated His claim.
In other words it is a catholic doctrine.This doctrine of 3 personalites can't save anyone. This doctrine is from a branch of Christianity where Christianity has replaced Israel. There is nobody who is saved who isn't part of the commonwealth of Israel.
Correct.God was never revealed to Israel as Triune.
God is also the father of Abraham Isaac and Jesus.God revealed Himself as The Father of Israel through covenant relationship. By this relationship, Israel is the firstborn son, heir to the promises of God.
Show where YHWH declared those words.As YHWH declared to Israel that the Life (eternal) is in Him and to impart that life He needed a Medium, a Spiritual Seed.
How does this make any sense?Since there is none of creatures who can impart Life to Israel which doesn't meet YHWH's standard,
The scripture does not say that. If you think it does pleas show us the quote.YHWH Himself came as The Seed of Abraham, representing Israel as the firstborn son of God and also as a Mediator of Israel since Israel failed to keep the Torah in its ordinances and were thus under the curse.
Semantics. If the Messiah fulfilled obedience on behalf of Israel and paid in full for their disobedience then all of Israel is born obedient ...The Messiah perfectly fulfilled obedience to the Torah on behalf of Israel and payed in full for their disobedience and Redeemed them from the curse of the Torah giving them rights to spiritual sonship and blessing of salvation/Life as promised to Abraham.
CJB
So are we Jews better off? Not entirely; for I have already made the charge that all people, Jews and Gentiles alike, are controlled by sin.
CJB
But instead, the Tanakh shuts up everything under sin; so that what had been promised might be given, on the basis of Yeshua the Messiah’s trusting faithfulness, to those who continue to be trustingly faithful.
More rubbish. Jesus is the son of god. God said so himself. If Jesus is the same god then you are calling God a liar.Thus The Father and Son are titles of the same God depicting covenant relationship between YHWH and Israel.
CJB
and a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; I am well pleased with him.”
You are not making any sense. If Jesus is the Torah then Jesus is a curse... If Jesus is God then God is a curse.There is much to it as there is falling and rising of many in Israel. Israel was kept under the Torah of fleshly ordinances as the Trainer/Schoolmaster to bring them to Messiah. When Messiah claimed "I Am the way, the truth and the Life", He was demonstrating that He is The Living Torah in which Divine nature is revealed.
Gal 4:1-6; Gal 3:13.
Jews and Israelites are not gentiles/ heathens.NT authors are not writing to a bunch of modern day alleged Christians but to Israel (Both Jews and the lost sheep of the house of Israel).
CJB
Also the Tanakh, foreseeing that God would consider the Gentiles righteous when they live by trusting and being faithful, told the Good News to Avraham in advance by saying, “In connection with you, all the Goyim will be blessed.”
All nations that are not Israelites are gentiles.Our English translators have created a confusing by using the word 'Gentiles'; 'Heathens' by which Christianity was founded upon. Abraham is not the father of many Gentiles but nations - the gospel which was first preached to Abraham.
But there is the church which includes Israelites and Gentiles.There is no Christianity anywhere in scriptures.
And the GentilesThe prophetic clock has always been around Israel in both sides of the old and new covenant (Heb 8:8-12). Yeshua Messiah never came to teach a new religion of Christianity but to fulfill obedience for His people Israel.
CJBTorah was never done away with because by it Israel stands or falls. Those unbelieving of Israel are under the curse and will be judged by the Torah. But those believing in their Messiah will stand because their obedience has been fulfilled.
For the goal at which the Torah aims is the Messiah, who offers righteousness to everyone who trusts.
CJBChristianity teaches false doctrine that The Torah has been done away with. Paul disagrees with them:
Rom 7:12 Therefore the Torah indeed is holy, and the commandment holy, and righteous, and good.
Rom 7:14 For we know that the Torah is Spiritual, but I am fleshly, sold under sin.
22 For I delight in the Torah of Elohim according to the inward man,
For the goal at which the Torah aims is the Messiah, who offers righteousness to everyone who trusts.
The goal is not the Torah. It is Christ.
CJB
That means that there is no difference between Jew and Gentile — Adonai is the same for everyone, rich toward everyone who calls on him,
CJBSin is defined as the trangression of the Torah.
1john 3: 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the Torah: for sin is the transgression of the Torah.
1Cor 15:56 And the sting of death is the sin, and the power of the sin is the Torah.
Rom 3:31 Do we then nullify the Torah through faith? Let it not be! On the contrary, we establish the Torah.
It's by the principles of Torah we can interpret the NT. The basis of false doctrines in Christianity is because it thinks:
All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that does not lead to death.
for righteousness it is...1. the Torah has been done away with.
CJB2. The Church/Christianity has replaced Israel.
I also tell you this: you are Kefa,” [which means ‘Rock,’] “and on this rock I will build my Community, and the gates of Sh’ol will not overcome it.
If Israel is the "community" why would Christ be building a community that includes a Canaanite?
Galatians 3:73. Christians are spiritual children of Abraham
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Your beliefs are also false...All the 'isms' of Christianity are based on the above false assumptions. They don't understand the true gospel message first taught to Abraham. They don't understand what Abraham believed in according to YHWH'S promise to him which renders him righteous.
False gospel is the foundation of false Theology; false Christology and false Eschatology. Besides innumerous other false doctrines.
Galatians 3:7
Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
Who made him LORD...that is the question. Is Peter lying when he says that God made Jesus LORD?He has always been Lord. His resurrection validated His claim.
Who made him LORD...that is the question. Is Peter lying when he says that God made Jesus LORD?
- Jesus was "made Lord" (Acts 2:36)
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified. (NASB) The first thing to notice is that moments earlier Peter (recorded by Luke) applied YHWH from Joel 3:5 (Septuagint) in reference to praying to the...
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Since Peter said that God made Jesus LORD, it is evident that you are assuming Jesus is YHWH. Your theory falls short because it makes Jesus his own father.- Jesus was "made Lord" (Acts 2:36)
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know for certain that God has made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus whom you crucified. (NASB) The first thing to notice is that moments earlier Peter (recorded by Luke) applied YHWH from Joel 3:5 (Septuagint) in reference to praying to the...forums.carm.org
johnny guitar
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Yep!You changed the caps in one of your statements.
Just to clarify your Trinitarian view...
Do you agree with both of these statements?
A) Jesus is the LORD.
B) Jesus is one of the Persons who is the LORD.
Next question...........................
johnny guitar
Well-known member
Jesus was born The Lord. He was The Lord in the womb of His mother.Since Peter said that God made Jesus LORD, it is evident that you are assuming Jesus is YHWH. Your theory falls short because it makes Jesus his own father.
Then God made Jesus LORD.Jesus was born The Lord. He was The Lord in the womb of His mother.
God does not have a mother, therefore Jesus is not God.
Since Peter said that God made Jesus LORD, it is evident that you are assuming Jesus is YHWH.
Precisely what Acts 2:21 (cf. Joel 2:32) teaches.
Nope, that is what you are teaching. Is Jesus his own father YHWH, yes or no?Precisely what Acts 2:21 (cf. Joel 2:32) teaches.
Yahchristian
Well-known member
it is evident that you are assuming Jesus is YHWH.
Precisely what Acts 2:21 (cf. Joel 2:32) teaches.
I DO believe that Jesus is YHWH !!!
There are three basic views promoted on this website...
A) Jesus is YHWH.
B) Jesus is one the personalities of YHWH.
C) Jesus was chosen/adopted by YHWH.
I would like to hear from everyone else on this forum which YOU believe.
Here is a summary of what I believe...
GOD is spirit and is the only one who is eternal. GOD is also in the universe as spirit and as a human. GOD in the universe as spirit is called the Spirit of God, GOD in the universe as a human is called the Son of God, and eternal GOD is called God the Father.
That is what you are dodging.Nope, that is what you are teaching. Is Jesus his own father YHWH, yes or no?
Peter applied YHWH from the OT in reference to Jesus in Acts 2:21.
Thus, Jesus is YHWH
johnny guitar
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LORD and Lord are the SAME God.Then God made Jesus LORD.
God does not have a mother, therefore Jesus is not God.
Only The RCC says God has a mother.
I am not dodging anything... You are yet to answer... Is Jesus his own father YHWH, yes or no?That is what you are dodging.
No, he did not. You are the one making the assumpotion that Jesus is YHWH. But YHWH is the father of Jesus.Peter applied YHWH from the OT in reference to Jesus in Acts 2:21.
Thus, Jesus is YHWH
Matthew 7:21LORD and Lord are the SAME God.
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
You are saying Jesus is his own father...
You just said your God was in the womb of his mother...Only The RCC says God has a mother.
Jesus was born The Lord. He was The Lord in the womb of His mother.
LORD and Lord are the SAME God.
johnny guitar
Well-known member
Riddled with strawmen.Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
You are saying Jesus is his own father...
You just said your God was in the womb of his mother...
Jesus Christ was The Lord and God in the womb of His mother.