CookedGoose
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Actually God preordained the murder of Christ.
But you're claiming God couldn't have preordained Adam to sin because that would be mean?
Isn't that your argument?
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But you're claiming God couldn't have preordained Adam to sin because that would be mean?
Isn't that your argument?
Leatherneck0311
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Did God know what Adam would do ? Yes. Did God make Adam disobey Him ? No.
Leatherneck0311
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God would have CONTRADICTED Himself since He commanded Adam “ thou shalt not” and then made Adam do what He commanded him not to do. Adam’s failure was his not God’s.
CookedGoose
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Here is where you're wrong.
Dropping lit dynamite on the backside of Hoover Dam shows "intent". When the dam blows up the person can't claim they "didn't know" what would happen.
Now if knowledge is "infallible" as God's is, there's even less excuse.
If foreknowledge is infallible, creating Adam necessarily puts in motion the fall. Adam pulled the trigger (so to speak) but God ordained it.
The only way out is if you can prove God's foreknowledge is not infallible. Your position is no better.
Leatherneck0311
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You just made God responsible for evil and gave satan and sinful men a pass as in God created me;therefore, my evil is His fault, which no scripture teaches nor supports.
preacher4truth
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What does "preordained" mean in your dictionary? I bet you'll have to look it up to find out. Also, tell us what "Author of Sin" means as well. It all appears a bit pretentious, and my guess is you're making statements and using words that you have no clue as to their meaning. No offense, but it happens. 2 Timothy 2:15 my friend.
CookedGoose
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Wrong again LN.
Adam is culpable for sin having his fingerprints on the sin
God is culpable for creating Adam
The best you can do is claim God is an accessory to sin, or said differently, He ordained it.
Leatherneck0311
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Nope, God is NOT an accessory nor did He ordain sin .Adam was created with a clean slate as in no sin or sin nature. Your opinion of God does not reflect ANY scripture nor can you back up your belief of a Holy God who ordains evil,but your opinion is noted.
Leatherneck0311
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Maybe you shouldn’t pray for anyone since you believe their outcome was determined before God created the heavens and the earth and their choice means nothing in Calvinism. For myself I will continue to do as scripture teaches and pray for the lost praying they yield to Almighty God and what He provided for them through Christ Jesus.
I like that you are a Calvinist when it comes to praying. Good for you!
CookedGoose
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Only if you can prove His foreknowledge is not infallible
Good luck
Oddly, I can't completely disagree because we aren't given that information. Fortunately for Calvinists it isn't needed since enmity was put between your seed and her Seed.
Was killing Jesus evil?
Could you please answer this most basic of biblical questions for us?
Because of foreknowledge you have the same difficult questions to answer.
Leatherneck0311
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Carbon
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Just about everyone is. ?I like that you are a Calvinist when it comes to praying. Good for you!
Leatherneck0311
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Lol, not hardly I believe “ if” those convicted by the Holy Spirit yield and place their faith in Jesus will be saved.I like that you are a Calvinist when it comes to praying. Good for you!
I see that you've missed the point Carbon was making, but that's ok. Keep praying like a Calvinist, "praying they yield to Almighty God and what He provided for them through Christ Jesus." That would be awesome. I'm glad you aren't consistent with libertarian freedom.
Leatherneck0311
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I believe in scriptural election which is based on the foreknowledge of God as opposed to a heavenly lottery.I see that you've missed the point Carbon was making, but that's ok. Keep praying like a Calvinist, "praying they yield to Almighty God and what He provided for them through Christ Jesus." That would be awesome. I'm glad you aren't consistent with libertarian freedom.
God's infinite wisdom is not a lottery, even if He doesn't consider the person's personal actions, His wisdom isn't limited to man. Hence, your "heavenly lottery" is a blatant blasphemous straw man, since you are calling God's wisdom a "lottery." Stop attacking God.
But keep praying inconsistently with libertarianism, like a Calvinist.
Leatherneck0311
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If you re-read my post I said I believe scriptural election based on God’s foreknowledge what I do not believe is Calvinism’s philosophizing election based on the opinions of men. In reality it is Calvinism’s attack on the Holiness of God that is the issue. Scripture clearly says God cannot be tempted to commit evil neither does God tempt men to commit evil. How do you rationalize that scripture and believe God preordains men to sin against Him ?God's infinite wisdom is not a lottery, even if He doesn't consider the person's personal actions, His wisdom isn't limited to man. Hence, your "heavenly lottery" is a blatant blasphemous straw man, since you are calling God wisdom a "lottery." Stop attacking God.
But keep praying inconsistently with libertarianism, like a Calvinist.
SovereignGrace
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More falsehood from the Swedish philosopher Lars Pantsonfar. ?
Carbon
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I sure hope he does. For an Arminian to be consistent with his theology praying as such?But keep praying inconsistently with libertarianism, like a Calvinist.
OMG I couldn’t utter the words!