Semmelweis Reflex
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I'm finished with this conversation with you, I don't see how we can have a back and forth.
Good. I'm glad. You and the other one have wasted enough of my time. Why don't you get together and do some research.
I'm finished with this conversation with you, I don't see how we can have a back and forth.
- or Christians views ultimately leads to scientific observations.Science alters its views to preserve its observations. Christianity alters its observations to preserve its views.
Sounds apocryphal. When has this ever happened?- or Christians views ultimately leads to scientific observations.
Throughout the last 2000 years.Sounds apocryphal. When has this ever happened?
So you say.Throughout the last 2000 years.mikeT said:Sounds apocryphal. When has this ever happened?dingoling said:Christians views ultimately leads to scientific observations.
Which incidentally was invented by the Romans. Pre Christian.So you say.
I say you've provided no evidence that it's never happened.
Since I'm right, we can dismiss your claim until you decide to back it up with something concrete.
Accidental double-negative fixedSo you say.
I say you've provided no evidence that it'sneverever happened.
Since I'm right, we can dismiss your claim until you decide to back it up with something concrete.
That is not completely true. Both sides are guilty of altering their observations to preserve it views.Science alters its views to preserve its observations. Christianity alters its observations to preserve its views.
Most advancements in science and technology over the centuries have come out of those countries that have been considered Christian countries.So you say.
I say you've provided no evidence that it's never happened.
Since I'm right, we can dismiss your claim until you decide to back it up with something concrete.
Of course they have, because Christianity has been the prevailing religion in those countries, particularly say England. For this to mean anything for Christianity, you would have to show that said advancements could only come out of Christian countries.Most advancements in science and technology over the centuries have come out of those countries that have been considered Christian countries.
Ditto.Most of the top universities in the world started out as Christian universities.
Which would be impossible to show, because many non-Christian countries and civilizations have made huge contributions to science and technology.Of course they have, because Christianity has been the prevailing religion in those countries, particularly say England. For this to mean anything for Christianity, you would have to show that said advancements could only come out of Christian countries.
Indeed.Which would be impossible to show, because many non-Christian countries and civilizations have made huge contributions to science and technology.
Greece, India, China, the Islamic world during the Middle Ages when those "Christian countries" were stagnating by comparison, etc.
Incorrect. Scientists as individuals have been guilty of that. Science as a process is not. Religion has no mechanism whatsoever to correct mistakes.That is not completely true. Both sides are guilty of altering their observations to preserve it views.
"Started out as". There's a reason they are no longer. Christianity has nothing useful to say on the topics of astronomy, physics, chemistry, biology, mathematics, geology, or engineering. It has made no contribution to economics, psychology, sociology, anthropology, or even history. In philosophy it has made no contribution to logic. I suppose you could argue that it has made a contribution to ethics by providing examples of what NOT to do. Ditto epistemology.Most of the top universities in the world started out as Christian universities.
Yes, altering your observations to preserve your views.Which would be impossible to show, because many non-Christian countries and civilizations have made huge contributions to science and technology.
Greece, India, China, the Islamic world during the Middle Ages when those "Christian countries" were stagnating by comparison, etc.
Just to expand on this point a little, much of the science and technology that Christian apologists like to take credit for was actually made by non-Christian civilizations.For this to mean anything for Christianity, you would have to show that said advancements could only come out of Christian countries.
Your assertion has nothing to do with the point it replies to, which was about how good science has come out of countries as well as Christian, which was the main point that your reply ignores.Yes, altering your observations to preserve your views.
Genesis Ch 1 is loaded with Observations.Science alters its views to preserve its observations. Christianity alters its observations to preserve its views.
Holy crap you're stupid. Honestly. You're not good enough for this forum, and that's a loooooow bar.Genesis Ch 1 is loaded with Observations.
Your so called science has NONE. Just speculations.
31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.
Your low education may not have heard of The scientific method which calls for OBSERVATION.