John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
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1John 2:2, More Calvinist opinion
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Reformedguy
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I asked about the purpose of sending the gospel and conviction. Not about what is written. Good try.John 20:31 (ESV) — 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.
So what is the purpose of conviction and sending the gospel?
The form the gospel is presented whether written or preached is irrelevantI asked about the purpose of sending the gospel and conviction. Not about what is written. Good try.
So what is the purpose of conviction and sending the gospel?
believing it brings life
Reformedguy
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IThe form the gospel is presented whether written or preached is irrelevant
believing it brings life
That's not what I asked is it professor? What is God's PURPOSE in conviction and preaching the gospel?
Are you not able to read?I
That's not what I asked is it professor? What is God's PURPOSE in conviction and preaching the gospel?
believing - it brings life
Reformedguy
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Are you not able to read? It is with the heart man believes. A heart that has been replaced so one may obey God in the first place.Are you not able to read?
believing - it brings life
Regeneration. Is not life itself, it is the process of bringing someone to Spiritual life. Dead Spiritual individuals do not choose to bring themselves to life.
Regeneration precedes faith
Reformedguy
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Again, what is the purpose of conviction and preaching the gospel from God's perspective??Are you not able to read?
believing - it brings life
Tom is dodging again
You got issues.Again, what is the purpose of conviction and preaching the gospel from God's perspective??
Tom is dodging again
You simply asked for what purpose.
so that you might believe and he will save you
Stop bearing false witness.
Sorry you assume thatAre you not able to read? It is with the heart man believes. A heart that has been replaced so one may obey God in the first place.
Regeneration. Is not life itself, it is the process of bringing someone to Spiritual life. Dead Spiritual individuals do not choose to bring themselves to life.
Regeneration precedes faith
nowhere is it stated the heart has been replaced so you may believe the gospel
Unbelievers do not receive the spirit
John 14:16–17 (NASB 2020) — 16 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever; 17 the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.
and are regenerated through faith in the gospel
James 1:18 (ESV) — 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1 Peter 1:18–23 (ESV) — 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, 23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
unbelief does not profit
Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Further all heavenly blessing are in Christ and one is not in Christ until he believes Heb 1:3; 13
Reformedguy
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I assume belief comes from the heart? I refer the lurkers to Romans 10:9,10.Sorry you assume that
nowhere is it stated the heart has been replaced so you may believe the gospel
Unbelievers do not receive the spirit
John 14:16–17 (NASB 2020) — 16 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever; 17 the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.
and are regenerated through faith in the gospel
James 1:18 (ESV) — 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1 Peter 1:18–23 (ESV) — 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, 23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
unbelief does not profit
Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
Further all heavenly blessing are in Christ and one is not in Christ until he believes Heb 1:3; 13
I also refer the lurkers to Ezek. 36 where one is give a new heart? For what you ask? So we may obey. Is believing the gospel a matter of obedience? LOL
Also John 14: 17 teaches indwelling is not the lone way one receives the Spirit.
You still ignore the evidenceI assume belief comes from the heart? I refer the lurkers to Romans 10:9,10.
I also refer the lurkers to Ezek. 36 where one is give a new heart? For what you ask? So we may obey. Is believing the gospel a matter of obedience? LOL
Also John 14: 17 teaches indwelling is not the lone way one receives the Spirit.
nowhere is it stated the heart has been replaced so you may believe the gospel
Unbelievers do not receive the spirit
John 14:16–17 (NASB 2020) — 16 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever; 17 the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.
Reformedguy ignore this
and are regenerated through faith in the gospel
James 1:18 (ESV) — 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1 Peter 1:18–23 (ESV) — 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, 23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
unbelief does not profit
Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
reformedguy ignores this also
Further all heavenly blessing are in Christ and one is not in Christ until he believes Heb 1:3; 13
yet more scripture reformedguy ignores
to be noted Ezek 36 says nothing about believing the gospel
reformedguy just inserts it and ignoring all scripture contrary to his view
Reformedguy
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Lets get back to the question tom has to ignore. What is the purpose of God sending the gospel and convicting sinners??You still ignore the evidence
nowhere is it stated the heart has been replaced so you may believe the gospel
Unbelievers do not receive the spirit
John 14:16–17 (NASB 2020) — 16 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever; 17 the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.
Reformedguy ignore this
and are regenerated through faith in the gospel
James 1:18 (ESV) — 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1 Peter 1:18–23 (ESV) — 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, 23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
unbelief does not profit
Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
reformedguy ignores this also
Further all heavenly blessing are in Christ and one is not in Christ until he believes Heb 1:3; 13
yet more scripture reformedguy ignores
to be noted Ezek 36 says nothing about believing the gospel
reformedguy just inserts it and ignoring all scripture contrary to his view
What part of so they can believe escapes your graspLets get back to the question tom has to ignore. What is the purpose of God sending the gospel and convicting sinners??
bottomline
You still ignore the evidence
nowhere is it stated the heart has been replaced so you may believe the gospel
Unbelievers do not receive the spirit
John 14:16–17 (NASB 2020) — 16 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever; 17 the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.
Reformedguy also ignores this
Men are regenerated through faith in the gospel
James 1:18 (ESV) — 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1 Peter 1:18–23 (ESV) — 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, 23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
unbelief does not profit
Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
reformedguy ignores this also
Further all heavenly blessing are in Christ and one is not in Christ until he believes Heb 1:3; 13
yet more scripture reformedguy ignores
to be noted Ezek 36 says nothing about believing the gospel
reformedguy just inserts it and ignoring all scripture contrary to his view
God justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5What part of so they can believe escapes your grasp
bottomline
You still ignore the evidence
nowhere is it stated the heart has been replaced so you may believe the gospel
Unbelievers do not receive the spirit
John 14:16–17 (NASB 2020) — 16 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever; 17 the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.
Reformedguy also ignores this
Men are regenerated through faith in the gospel
James 1:18 (ESV) — 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1 Peter 1:18–23 (ESV) — 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, 23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
unbelief does not profit
Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
reformedguy ignores this also
Further all heavenly blessing are in Christ and one is not in Christ until he believes Heb 1:3; 13
yet more scripture reformedguy ignores
to be noted Ezek 36 says nothing about believing the gospel
reformedguy just inserts it and ignoring all scripture contrary to his view
Only after they believeGod justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5
So they are believers not unbelievers when he saves them
Mk 2:16-17 When the scribes of the Pharisees saw that He was eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they said to His disciples, “Why is He eating with tax collectors and sinners?" And hearing this, Jesus *said to them, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”Only after they believe
So they are believers not unbelievers when he saves them
Tom believes only the righteous are called and saved.
(wait for it)
You are rather confused and ignore scriptureMk 2:16-17 When the scribes of the Pharisees saw that He was eating with the sinners and tax collectors, they said to His disciples, “Why is He eating with tax collectors and sinners?" And hearing this, Jesus *said to them, “It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick; I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”
Tom believes only the righteous are called and saved.
(wait for it)
Nowhere do we read God saves unbelievers,
many verses state he saves believers and unbelievers are not saved.
- Repentance precedes regeneration
Please stop harassing me with your worthless opinions. Denying scripture Denying lexicon Denying evidence from peer theological sources i.e. CARM, Calvinist catechism It's your opinion which is truly worthless Maybe you should stop harassing me with your worthless opinion
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John 3:14–18 (ESV) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. 16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 3:36 (ESV) — 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 5:24 (ESV) — 24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Thessalonians 2:10 (ESV) — 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
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He justifies the ungodly, whom He called (Rom 4:5; 8:30)You are rather confused and ignore scripture
Nowhere do we read God saves unbelievers,
The elect are born ungodly and unbelieveing, and they are justified presently and in eternity (Rom 4:5; 8:30) ?many verses state he saves believers and unbelievers are not saved.
Only those who believe are justifiedHe justifies the ungodly, whom He called (Rom 4:5; 8:30)
The elect are born ungodly and unbelieveing, and they are justified presently and in eternity (Rom 4:5; 8:30) ?
You need to forget your man made theology and believe God
you do not have a single verse which states God saves unbelievers
John 3:14–18 (ESV) — 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life. 16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
John 3:36 (ESV) — 36 Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.
John 5:24 (ESV) — 24 Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.
2 Thessalonians 2:10 (ESV) — 10 and with all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.
Reformedguy
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What is the purpose of God convicting and sending the gospel? To most Christains, except the Pelagians apparently, the answer is rather obvious.What part of so they can believe escapes your grasp
bottomline
You still ignore the evidence
nowhere is it stated the heart has been replaced so you may believe the gospel
Unbelievers do not receive the spirit
John 14:16–17 (NASB 2020) — 16 “I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, so that He may be with you forever; 17 the Helper is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him; but you know Him because He remains with you and will be in you.
Reformedguy also ignores this
Men are regenerated through faith in the gospel
James 1:18 (ESV) — 18 Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
1 Peter 1:18–23 (ESV) — 18 knowing that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your forefathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, 19 but with the precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot. 20 He was foreknown before the foundation of the world but was made manifest in the last times for the sake of you 21 who through him are believers in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God. 22 Having purified your souls by your obedience to the truth for a sincere brotherly love, love one another earnestly from a pure heart, 23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;
unbelief does not profit
Hebrews 4:2 (KJV 1900) — 2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
reformedguy ignores this also
Further all heavenly blessing are in Christ and one is not in Christ until he believes Heb 1:3; 13
yet more scripture reformedguy ignores
to be noted Ezek 36 says nothing about believing the gospel
reformedguy just inserts it and ignoring all scripture contrary to his view