SPOKENWORD
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Its your understanding that is wrong. Holy Scripture is never wrong.
Angel of the Lord worships God thus isn't God
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Open Heart
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It's not "my understanding." At face value, Deut 17:8-13 sets up the authority of the levites and judges to interpret the law. There is no other interperation.
Jewjitzu
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Why? Jesus has knees and a tongue as well, and will bow himself.
Our Lord's God
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Yes it does say "all" doesn't it.
But some maniacal minds don't think the angel of the LORD is not an angel? Nope, they insist, the angel of the LORD is not an angel.
They do this even though there are actually MANY Scriptural facts which prove the messenger of the LORD is not the LORD.
Open Heart
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I agree. It makes no sense to say that a messenger is the Lord.
SPOKENWORD
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Because you are a sinner and in need of a Savior.
American Gothic
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and they are judged by Prophets under the direction of the Holy Spirit
the Prophets are 100% accurate - Israel's kings and priestly rulers etc. are not
Jewjitzu
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Prophets are judged if they are false or not. A key point is the adherence and teaching of the commandments - false prophets teach the laws aren't necessarily anymore.
Not if they're false.
They weren't always. It's a system of checks and balances.
Our Lord's God
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It's absurd even on the face of it. Why would God refer to Himself as His messenger?
But even worse is to claim that this ANGEL of the Lord is not actually an angel. If absurdity is not enough one is expected to enter into insanity.
American Gothic
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a true Prophet will be able to prove themselves as such during their ministry
sadly, Israel has a long and recorded history of sometimes significant amount of their population not believing those God has sent to them
that is how it is supposed to be - Israel leaders and government/Sanhedrin judged by the Prophets
Jewjitzu
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Miracles of themselves, isn't proof that a prophet is true.
True.
Not quite. Even prophets must abide by the laws and judgments of the judges, Deut 17:8-13.
American Gothic
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a true Prophet is speaking for God
to not believe them is Blashemy/calling God a liar
what they say will never be wrong
and what they say will happen will eventually happen
the Elect remnant of Faith will know who is real and who is not, no matter what the Leadership might say when they are wrong
to not believe them is Blashemy/calling God a liar
what they say will never be wrong
and what they say will happen will eventually happen
the Elect remnant of Faith will know who is real and who is not, no matter what the Leadership might say when they are wrong
Jewjitzu
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A true prophet follows and teaches the law. It's the consistent way of the spirit,
Zechariah 7
12They made their hearts like flint and would not listen to the law or to the words that the LORD of Hosts had sent by His Spirit through the earlier prophets. Therefore great anger came from the LORD of Hosts.
True prophets always follow and teach the law. Based on this fact, we can point out the false prophets in the NT.
Deut 13
1If a prophet or dreamer of dreams arises among you and proclaims a sign or wonder to you, 2and if the sign or wonder he has spoken to you comes about, but he says, “Let us follow other gods (which you have not known) and let us worship them,” 3you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. For the LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love Him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4You are to follow the LORD your God and fear Him. Keep His commandments and listen to His voice; serve Him and hold fast to Him.
5Such a prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he has advocated rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt and redeemed you from the house of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way in which the LORD your God has commanded you to walk. So you must purge the evil from among you.a
6If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you embrace,b or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (which neither you nor your fathers have known, 7the gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, whether from one end of the earth or the other), 8you must not yield to him or listen to him. Show him no pity, and do not spare him or shield him.
9Instead, you must surely kill him. Your hand must be the first against him to put him to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10Stone him to death for trying to turn you away from the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. 11Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and will never again do such a wicked thing am
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Open Heart
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Yeah, and what happens when you follow a false prophet?
American Gothic
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God is Creator, Owner, Ruler, and Judge
a true Prophet is saying exactly what God wants them to say
that is why it is He, thru them, that judges Israel's Leadership, teachings, and opinions
as well as Israel's attitudes and behaviors
a non-Believer will follow false prophet
that isn't God's doing or problem
a true Prophet is saying exactly what God wants them to say
that is why it is He, thru them, that judges Israel's Leadership, teachings, and opinions
as well as Israel's attitudes and behaviors
a non-Believer will follow false prophet
that isn't God's doing or problem
Open Heart
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Everyone is a believer, as in they believe in something. the question is, do you believe in a false prophet? I would say yes.
American Gothic
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God does not have a communication problem
and obviously the Angel of the Lord is no ordinary messenger/Heavenly son
and obviously the Angel of the Lord is no ordinary messenger/Heavenly son
Jewjitzu
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False prophets and teachers teach the law has been abrogated. A deceived person follows false prophets that teach the law has been abrogated. A deceived person follows the NT.
Jewjitzu
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Obviously the angel of the Lord is an angel. It says so in its name.
tbeachhead
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Nope...I'm saying "17:8-13" is not an argument. It's pure and meaningless numbers. Words express meaning. If you want me to look at something, paste the words your reference refers to. I've said this to Jewjitzu more than once, but it's convenient obfuscation to print wordless references to present your own parody of scholarship.
But, for curiosity, let's look at Jewjitzu's tortured reference in words, shall we:
Deuteronomy 17:8If a case is too difficult for you to judge, whether the controversy within your gates is regarding bloodshed, lawsuits, or assaults, you must go up to the place the LORD your God will choose. 9You are to go to the Levitical priests and to the judge who presides at that time. Inquire of them, and they will give you a verdict in the case.
10You must abide by the verdict they give you at the place the LORD will choose. Be careful to do everything they instruct you, 11according to the terms of law they give and the verdict they proclaim. Do not turn aside to the right or to the left from the decision they declare to you.
12But the man who acts presumptuously, refusing to listen either to the priest who stands there to serve the LORD your God, or to the judge, must be put to death. You must purge the evil from Israel. 13Then all the people will hear and be afraid, and will no longer behave arrogantly.
Simple questions either of you can answer:
- What do you do when there is no "place of the Lord," beyond invention?
- What is the place the LORD your God has chosen, now that you have no place beyond invention?
- What Levitical priests do you have to judge you? Your rabbis? Can you prove that they are "Levitial priests?" Or do you invent?
Why do you do this to yourself?