Astrology From the Catholic Church’s Perspective

jonathan_hili said:
It might be partly that some priests are not preaching well or boldly, however, there are lots of other reasons too. I'd probably chalk down most of the irreligiosity in the West down to growing materialism, wealth, lack of knowledge (especially philosophical and religious knowledge), secularism and moral decline (combined with a loss in religious authority).
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well...that "might " be why.

but lets take a look at the data:

"The principal reasons given by people who leave the church to become Protestant are that their “spiritual needs were not being met” in the Catholic church (71 percent) and they “found a religion they like more” (70 percent). Eighty-one percent of respondents say they joined their new church because they enjoy the religious service and style of worship of their new faith."

Tester's note>that does not mean "feel good":
I like to hear the consequences of sin from my Church

"In other words, the Catholic church has failed to deliver what people consider fundamental products of religion: spiritual sustenance and a good worship service. And before conservatives blame the new liturgy, only 11 percent of those leaving complained that Catholicism had drifted too far from traditional practices such as the Latin Mass.

Dissatisfaction with how the church deals with spiritual needs and worship services dwarfs any disagreements over specific doctrines. While half of those who became Protestants say they left because they stopped believing in Catholic teaching, specific questions get much lower responses. Only 23 percent said they left because of the church’s teaching on abortion and homosexuality; only 23 percent because of the church’s teaching on divorce; only 21 percent because of the rule that priests cannot marry; only 16 percent because of the church’s teaching on birth control; only 16 percent because of the way the church treats women; only 11 percent because they were unhappy with the teachings on poverty, war and the death penalty."

People are not becoming Protestants because they disagree with specific Catholic teachings; people are leaving because the church does not meet their spiritual needs and they find Protestant worship service better

Nor are the people becoming Protestants lazy or lax Christians. In fact, they attend worship services at a higher rate than those who remain Catholic. While 42 percent of Catholics who stay attend services weekly, 63 percent of Catholics who become Protestants go to church every week. That is a 21 percentage-point difference.

Catholics who became Protestant also claim to have a stronger faith now than when they were children or teenagers. Seventy-one percent say their faith is “very strong,” while only 35 percent and 22 percent reported that their faith was very strong when they were children and teenagers, respectively. On the other hand, only 46 percent of those who are still Catholic report their faith as “very strong” today as an adult.

Thus, both as believers and as worshipers, Catholics who become Protestants are statistically better Christians than those who stay Catholic. We are losing the best, not the worst

"The church needs a massive Bible education program. The church needs to acknowledge that understanding the Bible is more important than memorizing the catechism. If we could get Catholics to read the Sunday scripture readings each week before they come to Mass, it would be revolutionary. If you do not read and pray the scriptures, you are not an adult Christian. Catholics who become evangelicals understand this."

The hidden exodus: Catholics becoming Protestants

ViewpointThe number of people who have left the Catholic church is huge.We all have heard stories about why people leave. Parents share stories about their children. Academics talk about their students. Everyone has a friend who has left.
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jonathan_hili said:
It might be partly that some priests are not preaching well or boldly, however, there are lots of other reasons too. I'd probably chalk down most of the irreligiosity in the West down to growing materialism, wealth, lack of knowledge (especially philosophical and religious knowledge), secularism and moral decline (combined with a loss in religious authority).
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Oh just following the example of your leaders, they are materialistic, lack knowledge, secular and have always been in moral decline. You see it is not that they are poor preachers, more that actions speak louder than words. People hear what they say and then see what they do. They see the disconnect and the hypocrisy and therefore ignore the words.
 
1Thess521 said:
well...that "might " be why.

but lets take a look at the data:

"The principal reasons given by people who leave the church to become Protestant are that their “spiritual needs were not being met” in the Catholic church (71 percent) and they “found a religion they like more” (70 percent). Eighty-one percent of respondents say they joined their new church because they enjoy the religious service and style of worship of their new faith."

Tester's note>that does not mean "feel good":
I like to hear the consequences of sin from my Church

"In other words, the Catholic church has failed to deliver what people consider fundamental products of religion: spiritual sustenance and a good worship service. And before conservatives blame the new liturgy, only 11 percent of those leaving complained that Catholicism had drifted too far from traditional practices such as the Latin Mass.

Dissatisfaction with how the church deals with spiritual needs and worship services dwarfs any disagreements over specific doctrines. While half of those who became Protestants say they left because they stopped believing in Catholic teaching, specific questions get much lower responses. Only 23 percent said they left because of the church’s teaching on abortion and homosexuality; only 23 percent because of the church’s teaching on divorce; only 21 percent because of the rule that priests cannot marry; only 16 percent because of the church’s teaching on birth control; only 16 percent because of the way the church treats women; only 11 percent because they were unhappy with the teachings on poverty, war and the death penalty."

People are not becoming Protestants because they disagree with specific Catholic teachings; people are leaving because the church does not meet their spiritual needs and they find Protestant worship service better

Nor are the people becoming Protestants lazy or lax Christians. In fact, they attend worship services at a higher rate than those who remain Catholic. While 42 percent of Catholics who stay attend services weekly, 63 percent of Catholics who become Protestants go to church every week. That is a 21 percentage-point difference.

Catholics who became Protestant also claim to have a stronger faith now than when they were children or teenagers. Seventy-one percent say their faith is “very strong,” while only 35 percent and 22 percent reported that their faith was very strong when they were children and teenagers, respectively. On the other hand, only 46 percent of those who are still Catholic report their faith as “very strong” today as an adult.

Thus, both as believers and as worshipers, Catholics who become Protestants are statistically better Christians than those who stay Catholic. We are losing the best, not the worst

"The church needs a massive Bible education program. The church needs to acknowledge that understanding the Bible is more important than memorizing the catechism. If we could get Catholics to read the Sunday scripture readings each week before they come to Mass, it would be revolutionary. If you do not read and pray the scriptures, you are not an adult Christian. Catholics who become evangelicals understand this."

The hidden exodus: Catholics becoming Protestants

ViewpointThe number of people who have left the Catholic church is huge.We all have heard stories about why people leave. Parents share stories about their children. Academics talk about their students. Everyone has a friend who has left.
www.ncronline.org www.ncronline.org
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That's a different topic though. We're asking, broadly, why people don't attend church (not why some become Protestants). If all the Catholics who didn't attend church became Protestant, the numbers for Protestant Christianity would be much higher. I mean, we have lots of Protestants who don't attend church either.
 
jonathan_hili said:
That's a different topic though. We're asking, broadly, why people don't attend church (not why some become Protestants). If all the Catholics who didn't attend church became Protestant, the numbers for Protestant Christianity would be much higher. I mean, we have lots of Protestants who don't attend church either.
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Oh this coming from the person who changes the topic all the time. Actually the topic is about astrology.
 
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