Can atheism be known to exist in reality?

[Whatsisface]

Strawman and projection of your unbelief.

If the truth and reality are the result of God's believing mind and unbelievers disbelieve in God's truth occurring and reality's existence, then how can God know about a unbeliever's existence; when a believing mind is necessary in order to make the truth and reality known to begin with? If a unbeliever chooses to disbelieve in God's reality, then what is in a unbeliever that can be known to exist or occur in reality?

Also, being omniscience entails no knowledge that is not true and isn't represented in His reality by the truth. Lies and "false beliefs" of unbelievers are not knowable to God, because God only knows what is true in reality and this excludes all falsities and "false belief". Falsities and "false belief" only reside in the minds of the terminally ignorant who call themselves unbelievers, they openly reject God's truth and reality, destining themselves to wallow for eternity in the abyss.
These people are easily identifiable, they disbelieve that belief is capable of making the truth and reality known to them and have passed judgment on themselves, by rejecting the very means by which God has ordain to make His truth and reality known.

But believers believe that belief is capable of making His truth and reality known to them.

God is a Believing Mind that creates other believing minds in order to know and share His truth and reality and His Kingdom with. And that is why He refers to believers as His children; they share His truth and reality with Him by believing as He believes and His Holy Spirit makes this occur by literally believing in the believer through His indwelling of His Spirit of truth and reality.

Strawman.

 

[Caroljeen]

Strawman and projection of your unbelief.

If the truth and reality are the result of God's believing mind and unbelievers disbelieve in God's truth occurring and reality's existence, then how can God know about a unbeliever's existence; when a believing mind is necessary in order to make the truth and reality known to begin with? If a unbeliever chooses to disbelieve in God's reality, then what is in a unbeliever that can be known to exist or occur in reality?

Also, being omniscience entails no knowledge that is not true and isn't represented in His reality by the truth. Lies and "false beliefs" of unbelievers are not knowable to God, because God only knows what is true in reality and this excludes all falsities and "false belief". Falsities and "false belief" only reside in the minds of the terminally ignorant who call themselves unbelievers, they openly reject God's truth and reality, destining themselves to wallow for eternity in the abyss.
These people are easily identifiable, they disbelieve that belief is capable of making the truth and reality known to them and have passed judgment on themselves, by rejecting the very means by which God has ordain to make His truth and reality known.

But believers believe that belief is capable of making His truth and reality known to them.

God is a Believing Mind that creates other believing minds in order to know and share His truth and reality and His Kingdom with. And that is why He refers to believers as His children; they share His truth and reality with Him by believing as He believes and His Holy Spirit makes this occur by literally believing in the believer through His indwelling of His Spirit of truth and reality.

Sorry, Tercon, I won't be responding to your posts anymore.

 

[Algor]

Strawman and projection of your unbelief.

If the truth and reality are the result of God's believing mind and unbelievers disbelieve in God's truth occurring and reality's existence, then how can God know about a unbeliever's existence; when a believing mind is necessary in order to make the truth and reality known to begin with? If a unbeliever chooses to disbelieve in God's reality, then what is in a unbeliever that can be known to exist or occur in reality?

Also, being omniscience entails no knowledge that is not true and isn't represented in His reality by the truth. Lies and "false beliefs" of unbelievers are not knowable to God, because God only knows what is true in reality and this excludes all falsities and "false belief". Falsities and "false belief" only reside in the minds of the terminally ignorant who call themselves unbelievers, they openly reject God's truth and reality, destining themselves to wallow for eternity in the abyss.
These people are easily identifiable, they disbelieve that belief is capable of making the truth and reality known to them and have passed judgment on themselves, by rejecting the very means by which God has ordain to make His truth and reality known.

But believers believe that belief is capable of making His truth and reality known to them.

God is a Believing Mind that creates other believing minds in order to know and share His truth and reality and His Kingdom with. And that is why He refers to believers as His children; they share His truth and reality with Him by believing as He believes and His Holy Spirit makes this occur by literally believing in the believer through His indwelling of His Spirit of truth and reality.

So do atheists exist in reality or not (according to you, anyways)?

 

[Tercon]

So do atheists exist in reality or not (according to you, anyways)?

If reality is the product of God's Believing Mind and unbelievers disbelieve God's truth and reality exists, then unbelievers can't be known to exist in God's reality. That's what it is to disbelieve in belief's capability and means by which God makes Himself known.
There are hundreds of Bible verses attesting to beliefs capacity to make the truth and reality known.

 

[Algor]

If reality is the product of God's Believing Mind and unbelievers disbelieve God's truth and reality exists, then unbelievers can't be known to exist in God's reality. That's what it is to disbelieve in belief's capability and means by which God makes Himself known.
There are hundreds of Bible verses attesting to beliefs capacity to make the truth and reality known

Um. OK, but be patient with me because I am not sure I understand: do you think atheists exist ?

 

[Tercon]

Um. OK, but be patient with me because I am not sure I understand: do you think atheists exist ?

If the truth and reality is the product of God's Believing Mind and they disbelieve in God's reality and means by which the truth and reality of God is made known, then they have made themselves unknowable to reality. This is something that unbelievers have willfully done to themselves by embracing unbelief (atheism) rather than belief, when in reality unbelief can't make the truth known to anyone. They just reside in their deluded brains until they stop breathing; then they have nowhere else to reside but the abyss. A unbelieving brain won't get you anywhere near the truth and reality.

 

[Algor]

If the truth and reality is the product of God's Believing Mind and they disbelieve in God's reality and means by which the truth and reality of God is made known, then they have made themselves unknowable to reality. This is something that unbelievers have willfully done to themselves by embracing unbelief (atheism) rather than belief, when in reality unbelief can't make the truth known to anyone. They just reside in their deluded brains until they stop breathing; then they have nowhere else to reside but the abyss. A unbelieving brain won't get you anywhere near the truth and reality.

OK, so do atheists exist in unreality?

 

[mikeT]

There are hundreds of Bible verses attesting to beliefs capacity to make the truth and reality known.

No there aren't.

Searching the bible for scripture containing the words "belie (sic)" & "faith" doesn't return a single passage which supports your claim. Not one.

I can search The Lord of the Rings for the same terms, and it will return just as much support:

Search Tolkien

search.digitaltolkien.com

Oh look, a book of pure fiction agrees with Tercon...

 

[Temujin]

OK, so do atheists exist in unreality?

Not quite. They have made themselves unreal by refusing to believe in the real. I'd love to witness this happening.

 

[Algor]

Not quite. They have made themselves unreal by refusing to believe in the real. I'd love to witness this happening.

One wonders what physical properties change.

 

[Temujin]

One wonders what physical properties change.

I suspect that David Copperfield might know.

 

[mikeT]

I suspect that David Copperfield might know.

I grew wings.

Turns out reality's not that much fun...

 

[Algor]

I grew wings.

Turns out reality's not that much fun...

Yeah, that uropygial gland for waxing them just makes a mess in the underwear too.


(yes, I had to look up the name of the gland)

 

[Tercon]

OK, so do atheists exist in unreality?

unreality = delusion

 

[Algor]

unreality = delusion

Does this alter our physical properties?

 

[Tercon]

No there aren't.

Searching the bible for scripture containing the words "belie (sic)" & "faith" doesn't return a single passage which supports your claim. Not one.

The letters belie take in all verses that contain the words belief, believe, believed and faith is belief as well. Are you pretending that the Bible doesn't propagate belief as the means by which God makes Himself known to people?

I can search The for the same terms, and it will return just as much support:

Search Tolkien

search.digitaltolkien.com

Oh look, a book of pure fiction agrees with Tercon...

Strawman. That book doesn't propagate belief as the only means that the truth and reality is known.

 

[Tercon]

Does this alter our physical properties?

If the truth and reality is ONLY knowable in and with a believing mind, then reality must be the product of a Believing Mind, because the truth and reality are unknowable in and with a unbelieving mind. That's the truth about reality; it's only Believing Mind that can accommodate it.
And if you disbelieve this, then the least you can do is name some other way or place that can accommodate and make the truth and reality known to you that isn't a believing mind?

So, in reality belief isn't a physical property. Rather belief is a purely psychological = spiritual in nature that makes the truth and reality knowable.

 

[mikeT]

Strawman. That book doesn't propagate belief as the only means that the truth and reality is known.

Willful ignorance. Neither does the bible.

 

[Tercon]

Willful ignorance. Neither does the bible.

Strawman. No, willful ignorance is pretending that the Bible doesn't refer to or denote belief as the means by which God makes Himself known.

Do these Bible verses not exist? Here is 85 verse about belief in the Book of John alone. Is everyone just imagining that these verse are there?

 

[Algor]

If the truth and reality is ONLY knowable in and with a believing mind, then reality must be the product of a Believing Mind, because the truth and reality are unknowable in and with a unbelieving mind. That's the truth about reality; it's only Believing Mind that can accommodate it.
And if you disbelieve this, then the least you can do is name some other way or place that can accommodate and make the truth and reality known to you that isn't a believing mind?

So, in reality belief isn't a physical property. Rather belief is a purely psychological = spiritual in nature that makes the truth and reality knowable.

OK.

So why should I care? There is nothing in the physical world that will change, and I am a physicalist, so it appears that your metaphysics isn't relevant to me.