Cosmos, World in 1 John

[fltom]

What i don't like is when a lexicon adds the preseumed Christian meaning to a greek word. For me it is much better to just state what the Greeks understood the word to mean, not what christian writers meant by it. I think it is our job as Christians to discover what is meant and we can be helped if lexicons will just talk about how the Greeks undertsood the word

I would have to disagree here. The religious meaning does not always follow the secular

 

[Alexander the adequate]

I would have to disagree here. The religious meaning does not always follow the secular

That is for students to understand how the Bible writers are using the words, otherwise you have lexicons that are esposuing doctrinal ideas instead of just word meanings

 

[e v e 21]

That is for students to understand how the Bible writers are using the words, otherwise you have lexicons that are esposuing doctrinal ideas instead of just word meanings

writers???


His souls are to understand is His Words

 

[Alexander the adequate]

writers???


His souls are to understand is His Words

You are questioning the word "writers"? That is baffling.
And your second sentence is not clear as to what you are claiming.

 

[fltom]

That is for students to understand how the Bible writers are using the words, otherwise you have lexicons that are esposuing doctrinal ideas instead of just word meanings

Only if they do not support their conclusions biblically

 

[Theo1689]

What i don't like is when a lexicon adds the preseumed Christian meaning to a greek word. For me it is much better to just state what the Greeks understood the word to mean, not what christian writers meant by it.

How do you know that's the case?

The lexicons DO state what the Greeks understood it to mean, it sounds like you are just looking for reasons to reject the meanings.

I we can be helped if lexicons will just talk about how the Greeks undertsood the word

They do.

 

[fltom]

How do you know that's the case?

The lexicons DO state what the Greeks understood it to mean, it sounds like you are just looking for reasons to reject the meanings.



They do.

Kosmos

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt, F. Wilbur Gingrich, Frederick W. Danker, et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

 

[Alexander the adequate]

How do you know that's the case?

The lexicons DO state what the Greeks understood it to mean, it sounds like you are just looking for reasons to reject the meanings.



They do.

i am not rejecting anything, just talking about clarity

 

[fltom]

How do you know that's the case?

The lexicons DO state what the Greeks understood it to mean, it sounds like you are just looking for reasons to reject the meanings.

Kind of like what you have done in multiple instances

World, BDAG and John 12:47 come to mind

 

[ReverendRV]

Yes the lexicons prove them wrong with world . They conflate, equivocate and twist it’s meaning to fit their doctrines. It’s called eisegesis reading one’s ideas into the text . The texts in question all disprove their conclusions in the lexicons .

Not me...

God has an Agapao 'So Love' for the Kosmos...

 

[Theo1689]

Yes thank you ?

You just agreed with a <gasp!> Calvinist.
You better repent and do 10 Hail Mary's.

 

[fltom]

Yes the lexicons prove them wrong with world . They conflate, equivocate and twist it’s meaning to fit their doctrines. It’s called eisegesis reading one’s ideas into the text . The texts in question all disprove their conclusions in the lexicons . John 1:29, 3:16, 1 John 2:2 and so on and so forth .

I know oner Calvinist in particular who runs from this like the plague

 

[fltom]

Yes I’ve noticed . The person runs around quoting me and harassing me all the time . The person can’t take a hint .

Hmm I know one who often claims to be harrassed

I wonder if they are the same person

 

[guest1]

Yes the lexicons prove them wrong with world . They conflate, equivocate and twist it’s meaning to fit their doctrines. It’s called eisegesis reading one’s ideas into the text . The texts in question all disprove their conclusions in the lexicons . John 1:29, 3:16, 1 John 2:2 and so on and so forth .

Correct !


b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

Thayers

Cosmos: the inhabitants of the

5. world: θέατρον ἐγενήθημεν τῷ κόσμῳ καί ἀγγέλοις καί ἀνθρώποις, 1 Corinthians 4:9 (Winers Grammar, 127 (121)); particularly the inhabitants of the earth, men, the human race (first so in Sap. (e. g. )): Matthew 13:38; Matthew 18:7; Mark 14:9; John 1:10, 29 ( L in brackets); ; Romans 3:6, 19; 1 Corinthians 1:27f (cf. Winer's Grammar, 189 (178)); ; 2 Corinthians 5:19; James 2:5 (cf. Winer's Grammar, as above); 1 John 2:2

 

[Theo1689]

Yes thank you the world is all inclusive, not some small privileged group that was not created as firewood .

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature :

The gospel is for all the inhabitants of the world , not a few .

The gospel is for all.
But atonement is only for the "few":

Matt. 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”

 

[David1701]

Yes the lexicons prove them wrong with world . They conflate, equivocate and twist it’s meaning to fit their doctrines. It’s called eisegesis reading one’s ideas into the text . The texts in question all disprove their conclusions in the lexicons . John 1:29, 3:16, 1 John 2:2 and so on and so forth .

No; that is what you do. You are projecting.

 

[fltom]

No; that is what you do. You are projecting.

You are in denial

of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature : A Translation and Adaption of the Fourth Revised and Augmented Edition of Walter Bauer’s Griechisch-Deutsches Worterbuch Zu Den Schrift En Des Neuen Testaments Und Der Ubrigen Urchristlichen Literatur (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 1979), 446.

 

[fltom]

b. of all mankind, but especially of believers, as the object of God’s love J 3:16, 17c; 6:33, 51; 12:47.

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature :



The gospel is for all.
But atonement is only for the "few":

Matt. 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Nope

Atonement is for all

2 Corinthians 5:19 (KJV 1900) — 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

it must be received to benefit however

 

[fltom]

And the whole world in 1 John 2:2. The Achilles heal .

Yes the whole world

Another scripture Calvinists do not believe

 

[Theo1689]

Yes the whole world

Another scripture Calvinists do not believe

Certainly we believe it.
We simply don't accept your MISINTERPRETATION of it.
Why are you unable to understand the difference?