Even if by some miracle a first creature were to come to be, it is for naught. It will be destroyed and have no offspring.

SavedByTheLord said:
That is true but part of that is due to the curse because of the fall in the garden.
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Let's be clear. Are you suggesting that the entire universe, including the entire Earth's surface, would have been habitable by humans had Adam not eaten the wrong fruit? Two thirds of the world is ocean. Could we walk, and build on water?
 
Temujin said:
Let's be clear. Are you suggesting that the entire universe, including the entire Earth's surface, would have been habitable by humans had Adam not eaten the wrong fruit? Two thirds of the world is ocean. Could we walk, and build on water?
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No. But the deserts would not be there and the frigid poles would be less and there would be no glaciers and the mountainou scares would also be less.
 
SavedByTheLord said:
No. But the deserts would not be there and the frigid poles would be less and there would be no glaciers and the mountainou scares would also be less.
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So, based on n absolutely no evidence whatsoever, your claim is that had it not been for the Fall, 0.33%of the earth's surface would be habitable by humans , just under twice as much as there is now. Rather underwhelming, don't you think?
 
Temujin said:
So, based on n absolutely no evidence whatsoever, your claim is that had it not been for the Fall, 0.33%of the earth's surface would be habitable by humans , just under twice as much as there is now. Rather underwhelming, don't you think?
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I have not done the calculations but that does seem low.
 
Temujin said:
Who knows? Who cares? When/if we gain sufficient data, we will know. Until then all we have is speculation regarding anything "before" or "causing" the Big Bang. We have pretty solid knowledge of what happened after the Big Bang, but that too can be amended as more data comes in.
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Where are the magnetic monopoles?
Where are the pop 3 stars?
Why is there such an abundance of heavy elements, especially nickel , in the early universe?
 
SavedByTheLord said:
I did and these prove the Big Bang false
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How? Show how the difficulty of finding Pop 3 stars, which JWT is begining to overcome, proves the Big Bang false? You have shown no understanding of the cosmology involved. I doubt you even know what a pop 3 star is. These are just god of the gaps arguments made years ago when the gaps were a lot bigger than they are now.
 
Temujin said:
How? Show how the difficulty of finding Pop 3 stars, which JWT is begining to overcome, proves the Big Bang false? You have shown no understanding of the cosmology involved. I doubt you even know what a pop 3 star is. These are just god of the gaps arguments made years ago when the gaps were a lot bigger than they are now.
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JST has made the problems with the Big Band even worse.
 
SavedByTheLord said:
So to recap, the first living creature could not come to be by random chance.
Where would such an amount of amino acids even occur in nature to even make a first creature? They must be in very near proximity to where the first creature came to be.
In water they would immediate diluted and chemical reactions would destroy it. And above ground or in space, it would be destroyed by the the sunlight.
So the first creature is impossible.

The poor creature will not survive long at all. It is not protected from its environment. Chemical reactions will begin to destroy it within seconds. Which is just another problem. It would take too long to assemble itself. Destruction will happen faster than construction.
The poor creature cannot feed itself. It will also not be able to repair itself.
It will not be able to have any offspring. So it could never exist. So even if it did come into existence, it would die quickly and could not have offspring.
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Dr Tour refers to caramelize when it self destructs. Like dicing raw onion and heating in fry pan.

He of course reminds us a cell wall/membrane for protection is required.
 
SavedByTheLord said:
Not the ones protecting a cell.
They have many proteins that form channels to transport things in and out of the cell, etc
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They do now. They didn't always. That's evolution for you. Things move from the simple to the complex. You claim that the complex cannot arise. Yes it can, by starting simple. The simplest life form alive today is vastly more complicated than the first life form needed to be.
 
Temujin said:
They do now. They didn't always. That's evolution for you. Things move from the simple to the complex. You claim that the complex cannot arise. Yes it can, by starting simple. The simplest life form alive today is vastly more complicated than the first life form needed to be.
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No.
Things have to get in and out of a cell’s protective layer and that is done with protein channels.
 
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