God is a Spirit. The Father is NOT.

aeg4971 said:
You suppose the corporal and created conditions which properly belongs to this word person, none of which could exist in God, and then turn around and argue God is not a person. Well we know God is not contained in a composite subject, so other than your failure to properly perceive this word Person as applied to God contrasted in the plural, your point is what exactly?

You can't argue God is not a person or Persons, then when we ask why, your entire answer is what God is not ? That means you are refuting your own understanding , mostly certainly not ours.

Deity exist by itself, and Divinity is of a Rational Intelligence nature , thus the dignity of this word Person applied to God is quite fitting in a more excellent way. Clearly not in the way it is applied to created things, ie .Intellectual substances. Since every Divine Person by Himself is but One God and Lord, other than the humanism which belongs to creatures yet the Divine Essence knows it NOT, Your point is what?

The 13 century Latin doctor communis (ie universal teacher), completely dispatched your ridiculous modern humanistic anti Trinitarian straw above saying"





The ancient camel riding theologians already start from striping this word person of its imperfect human mode as applied to God, and even more so contrasted in the plural.

Therefore your intellectually challenged argument is with words and terms, and that only, wherefore leaving you to refute yourself.

I don't know why you people think you can refute ancient Orthodoxy with modern humanism of imperfect corporal and created conditions as if we mean something inherent in God . Its silly Anthony. for scriptures doesn't even allow composition and subjection in God , that is in, or properly belongs to this word Person.

........ Alan
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Are you arguing in favour of multi-personal God? Such a concept is not from scriptures but from heathen philosophy.

God being invisible is in unapproachable light whom no one has ever seen nor can see.
That's why there is WORD before God and mankind:

Luke 24:19 He said to them, “What things?” They said to him, “The things concerning Yeshua, the Nazarene, who was a prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people;

1Tim 6: 16 He alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen, nor can see: to whom be honor and eternal power. Amen.

John 1:18 No one has seen God at any time. The only God who is at the Father’s side, has made him known.

God in His self-existence is not a Person nor multi-personal by any human standards. However, He made Himself a Person by revealing Himself in Man's form. Adam was created in His image and likeness.

Rom 5:14 Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam s transgression, who is the figure (image, GR:Tupos, Heb: Tselem) of him that was to come.

The saved Mankind are God's highest creation confirmed to the image of The Son of God.

There was no Father nor Son before the beginning of creation. The Father and The Son depict covenant relationship between God and His people. These titles of God are purely salvific and not multi-personal. Multi-personal God is totally a delusion and shows the believers in such a doctrine have no idea of the true gospel message. God has bound Himself to save only His elect among the sons of Abraham (after the great flood mankind corrupted themselves again. Abraham was called out from his Babylonian heritage).

The gospel message consists of Abraham and His SEED Yahusha Messiah. If either Abraham or Messiah are left out of equation, it becomes a false gospel. Christendom is bound by exclusion of Abraham from the gospel. Hence they have a false Messiah and different schools of Theology. No wonder they can't get beyond surface reading of scriptures.

Majority of the Jews had similar problem. They included Abraham but left out their Messiah. But in addressing to them, Apostle Paul says they can't be counted as being children of Abraham without faith in Messiah. Christianity, which came much later misunderstands the argument of Apostle Paul by reversing what he taught. One has to believe in Christ to be the children of Abraham. Remember, Paul is addressing the Jews and not heathens of the world. Paul is speaking about the promised children of Abraham who believe in Messiah and not all physical children of Abraham.

Coming back to The Father and Son - He is The Same Yahuah - Spirit and Soul being. The Father is invisible and unapproachable while The Son is His outward Bodily form in equal SHARE. In Mediatorship, The Son represents Israel as Heir of inheritance from God. He thus takes a subordinate role of being a Servant and Mediatorship until the end of this age.

He will be The Father of eternity once His Sonship is relinquished at the end of the age when death, the last enemy is subdued. There is no question of Trinity. It's developed through manipulation of scriptures which reveals carnality of mind.
 
Anthony said:
Are you arguing in favour of multi-personal God? Such a concept is not from scriptures but from heathen philosophy.

God being invisible is in unapproachable light whom no one has ever seen nor can see.
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What is that "unapproachable light"???

Some eternal substance???
 
aeg4971 said:
You suppose the corporal and created conditions which properly belongs to this word person, none of which could exist in God, and then turn around and argue God is not a person. Well we know God is not contained in a composite subject, so other than your failure to properly perceive this word Person as applied to God contrasted in the plural, your point is what exactly?

You can't argue God is not a person or Persons, then when we ask why, your entire answer is what God is not ? That means you are refuting your own understanding , mostly certainly not ours.

Deity exist by itself, and Divinity is of a Rational Intelligence nature , thus the dignity of this word Person applied to God is quite fitting in a more excellent way. Clearly not in the way it is applied to created things, ie .Intellectual substances. Since every Divine Person by Himself is but One God and Lord, other than the humanism which belongs to creatures yet the Divine Essence knows it NOT, Your point is what?

The 13 century Latin doctor communis (ie universal teacher), completely dispatched your ridiculous modern humanistic anti Trinitarian straw above saying"





The ancient camel riding theologians already start from striping this word person of its imperfect human mode as applied to God, and even more so contrasted in the plural.

Therefore your intellectually challenged argument is with words and terms, and that only, wherefore leaving you to refute yourself.

I don't know why you people think you can refute ancient Orthodoxy with modern humanism of imperfect corporal and created conditions as if we mean something inherent in God . Its silly Anthony. for scriptures doesn't even allow composition and subjection in God , that is in, or properly belongs to this word Person.

........ Alan
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BTW, the ancient orthodoxy is based on Abraham and His SEED Yahusha Messiah. Not so called your church fathers. Bible contains the history of Israel from the perspective of both Old and New Covenant. Anything amiss is not from God including a Trinity.
 
Photine said:
What is that "unapproachable light"???

Some eternal substance???
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Unapproachable Light God is in! He is inaccessible, has no form nor voice. In another term He is utter transcendent. There is indescribable gulf between God and created realm. His substance is unknown until made known through prophetic scriptures of OT (Yahuah in Man's form and all Anthromorphism of OT) and finally the realised form of Yahusha Messiah, The Son of God in equal share.

Scriptures reveal invisible God in the realised substance of Yahusha Messiah.

1John 1:
1 That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we saw, and our hands touched, concerning the Word of life

2 (and the life was revealed, and we have seen, and testify, and declare to you the life, the eternal life, which was with the Father, and was revealed to us);

John 14: 9 Yeshua said to him, “Have I been with you all this time, and still you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father?’
 
Anthony said:
Unapproachable Light God is in! He is inaccessible, has no form nor voice. In another term He is utter transcendent. There is indescribable gulf between God and created realm. His substance is unknown until made known through prophetic scriptures of OT (Yahuah in Man's form and all Anthromorphism of OT) and finally the realised form of Yahusha Messiah, The Son of God in equal share.

Scriptures reveal invisible God in the realised substance of Yahusha Messiah.

1John 1:
1 That which was from the beginning, that which we have heard, that which we have seen with our eyes, that which we saw, and our hands touched, concerning the Word of life

2 (and the life was revealed, and we have seen, and testify, and declare to you the life, the eternal life, which was with the Father, and was revealed to us);

John 14: 9 Yeshua said to him, “Have I been with you all this time, and still you do not know me, Philip? He who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father?’
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Yeah I KNOW God is IN something. So? What IS it??? Some eternal "thing" or "stuff"???
 
johnny guitar said:
NO passage in The Bible calls THE Spirit a spirit.
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Wrong as always.

Job 32:8
However, there is in humans a Spirit, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding.

Let me guess.. that's not referring to The Holy Spirit.. wrong again..
 
Photine said:
Wrong as always.

Job 32:8
However, there is in humans a Spirit, the breath of the Almighty, that gives them understanding.

Let me guess.. that's not referring to The Holy Spirit.. wrong again..
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A spirit(NOT Spirit) in man; i.e. a spirit which all men have.
The Holy Spirit NOT referred to in this passage.
 
Photine said:
And now He's a Spirit.

1 Cor 15:45
The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening Spirit.

John 6:63
It is the Spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

You believe in a false Jesus.. Heh heh.
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No it is you & JW's that has a Jesus Christ without His Immortal, supernatural, Glorious FLESH & Bone resurrection body that He never disposed of when He ascended VISABLY up to Heaven in Acts chapter one after His 40 days spent on planet earth after He raised His Temple/body in 3 days as He said He would do in John 2:19-22! He kept His Immortal Glorious resurrection body and ours will be like His as proven in Philippians 3:21! His SPIRIT is still in His Glorious Flesh & bone resurrection body of Luke 24:39! Case closed!
 
rod.ney said:
No it is you & JW's that has a Jesus Christ without His Immortal, supernatural, Glorious FLESH & Bone resurrection body that He never disposed of when He ascended VISABLY up to Heaven in Acts chapter one after His 40 days spent on planet earth after He raised His Temple/body in 3 days as He said He would do in John 2:19-22! He kept His Immortal Glorious resurrection body and ours will be like His as proven in Philippians 3:21! Case closed!
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Blah blah blah, been there done that.
 
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