Part 1 of 2: This is such a cute response. You really do believe you've got something no one else has had since John put his head on Jesus' breast at the last supper, don't you?
And you can be sure that he will judge
I'm quite sure. And look how we can agree on one detail...Isn't that encouraging?
...also but you need to read 1 Corinthians 2:13-16 below.
1 Corinthians 2:
13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
There is no doubt that your words are not taught with human wisdom...or any wisdom for that matter. When you decided to rebel, your wisdom went the way of obedience to Christ...our the window with your own credibility.
You can be sure, when you do what you do here to Paul's writing, you do not have the same mind of the Spirit that he had.
14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
This explains the difficulty you have found with your eyes being blinded as they so clearly have.
15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things but such a person is not subject to human judgments for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?”
Ask yourself this: If this is true, and Paul is correct...why have you judged the entire church as you have, and condemned us all...you being the only one who understands? Have you ever wondered?
I haven't. Because Paul makes it clear what happened to you.
But we (who are truly led of the Spirt) have the mind of Christ.
Are you telling me YOU have the mind of Christ? Have you thought of telling Him that? Do you suggest that Christ has been condemning His church that he bought for the last two thousand years?
Notice in the above, Paul very clearly says that those who are led of the flesh cannot judge those who are led of the Spirit but that the one led by the Spirit makes judgements about all things.
Yeah...but you make judgments about all things...without the Spirit, don't you? I don't think this verse was meant to give you license to judge all but yourself...
See...later on, in 2 Corinthians 5, Paul tells his friends he has learned no longer to look at any man after the flesh. As one died for all, therefore all died. That's Paul's judgment. Do you see the contrast with the condemnation you've ascribed to yourself? Your judgment is more akin to the judgment Jesus warned us of: "Judge not, lest you be likewise judged...with the same measure you give it shall be given."
Understand: That's why I will let the Lord judge between you and me. He didn't give me the license you've taken upon yourself.
Then Paul reveals that the reason why those of the flesh cannot judge those of the Spirit, is because it would be like them instructing God being the one led by the Spirit has the mind of Christ.
Your sentence doesn't make sense: Are you claiming that you have Christ's mind?
Verse 15 tells me the one with the Spirit is not subject to judgment...because it is the Lord's place to judge, not mine. The Holy Spirit was sent to convict...not me. I am sent as an ambassador crying out, "Be reconciled to your brothers..." Mine is a different task.
For the simple reason that there may have been someone in the meeting that spoke the language that the Spirit was giving Paul the utterance to pray in, for he wouldn't have known this, just like they didn't either on the day of Pentecost and that is why Paul didn't forbid the Corinthians from using it even though they were using it at a whim.
He was in Corinth, surrounded by Corinthians. "FOR NO ONE UNDERSTANDS HIM...he's speaking mysteries" Where did you get that someone did understand him?
You can be as cute as your ego requires, to claim I'm in the flesh....you still need to read what Paul wrote.
Furthermore, the person speaking the language doesn't know the language unless he also has the gift of interpretation as well.
That's one of the few correct statements you've made. You are correct. That is why tongues in an assembly is ill-advised without knowing that someone is ready to interpret.
In the heyday of the Charismatic movement, an message in tongues given was an act of faith...because the interpreter could be anyone in the room, and it often was quite random early on. (Later on, invariably, the pastor would have the sole message in tongues and his wife would give the interpretation.) These were the days where the Lord demonstrated for me the working of the principles of 1 Corinthians 14. And the day came when the message in tongues was given, and I knew what was being said. And I refused to give the interpretation...I froze in fear and remained silent despite the pastor's encouragement to take the step. At the end of the service, I stood up and apologized to the congregation. The very next service it happened again, but this time I spoke the interpretation I had been given. I felt so inadequate I wanted to crawl out under the pews and disappear. Later, driving home with a friend, my friend said, "You know the interpretation you got? I got it too, word for word. I asked if the Lord wanted me to give it...and He said, 'No. This is for Peter.'" I never questioned the gift after that.
That is right and therefore Paul's words in 1 Corinthians 13:1 would be better translated as "though I speak in the languages of men and angels" and which brings us right back to the fact that those languages, were not entirely unknown except by those who are not of the nations that speaks the languages.
No it doesn't. It brings us back directly to what Paul is talking about: love not language. It doesn't matter what language you're speaking, without love your message is lost.
That should sober you a bit, because even when you post entirely in English you are missing Paul's point entirely.
This is why they should never be used without an interpretation, for they were never meant for self edification like you and your cult falsely believe about them and Paul was never saying that their edifying themselves in their use of them was good either, for you are reading that into his words when it doesn't exist.
False claim again.
They should never be used without an interpretation when you are surrounded by folks who need edification, exhortation and comfort. When there are folks to love on, you speak their language.
Paul still spoke in tongues more than any Corinthian, and his mind was still unfruitful...But he edified himself away from the crowd and not in the crowd. How would Paul know that "the one who speaks in a language edifies himself," if he had not himself experienced the edification that comes from the practice of the gift. Remember we're talking about a GIFT of the Spirit, and not languages in general. He's pretty thoughtful in His gifts...don't you think? He knew what He was giving, and, unlike you, He knew the gift's impact and value.
Only because they were selfish and carnally minded and which is why Paul wrote the letter to begin with and they pale in comparison to the divisions in your cult and Paul defined this as proof that they were carnal and not spiritual also in 1 Corinthians 3:1-2
Again, learn to read. Chapter 3 is not chapter 12...where he's instructing them in the spiritual gifts...because he did. not want them to be ignorant. They weren't carnally minded with the gifts...merely uninstructed. If you could read chapters 12-14 as Paul's instruction to prevent ignorance, your understanding of the context here would improve dramatically.
The pot calling the kettle black and which is the same song sung by all who are equally deceive to false doctrines also, it is always the other guy who is off base no matter how he might agree with the context of the passages being discussed also and like what I revealed from the context of Isaiah 45 and also Philippians 2:5-11.
I have noticed also how you shy away from my argument for Philippians 2:9-11, for your little foolish argument from Isaiah 45 where God said "by myself I have sworn that every knee shall bow unto me and every tongue shall swear", doesn't answer what Paul is saying Jesus would be rewarded with in verses 9-11.
For as I say before and will again, if Jesus was always Yahweh God and never ceased to be Yahweh God and you do believe he was, then what Paul said in verses 9-11 would make about as much sense as installing a screed door on a submarine and that is your predicament that you have absolutely no sensible answer for.
You're grasping for straws to breathe through here. I answered you adequately. If you don't think so, bring Philippians up again in another thread. This is a bunny trail in a very long post...As I said above, "This post proves the case that you have no clue what I had just said. You just responded as usual..." and you do not grasp the absurdity of a church of one...eschewing the error of all but himself. You will never be the pure and spotless bride He seeks, because you do not love the members.