No, he is not denying God's prophetic word.
No he isnt, you are. MANY does not mean ALL, so Paul must be careful not to state that ALL are MADE sinners, because that is simply not true. There are those that God does not hold accountable for sin.
That is why just a few chapters earlier He says "For all have sinned, and fallen short of the glory of God." Why did all fall short of the glory of God? Because all were sinners. I mean, it is right there, and you still let it smack you in the face and steal your lunch money.
"All have sinned" and "many were made sinners" are two vastly different statements. The former deals with each persons actions, and the latter deals with Gods view of them. It goes back to Deut 1:39 and Gods view of those He decides to hold accountable for sin. Do children lie? Of course. Does God charge that sin against a child the way He does an adult? No.
Consider that God said, There are none righteous, no not one. There are none that do good. There are none that seek after God. Yet you still say that that is a lie and that it is not none, but only many, or some? God was clear. There are NONE. Why? He gave the reason. For they have all gone their own way. Paul even brings up this prophecy in his letters. There must be a reason.
What does Paul say in Romans 3?
9 What then? Are we [
f]better? Not at all;
for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10 as it is written,
All under sin is different than "many were made sinners". The wages of sin is death, a the very writer Paul is about to quote wrote an entire Psalm from the perspective of a dead sinner.
Ps 119:40 Behold, I have longed after thy precepts: quicken me in thy righteousness.
37 Turn away mine eyes from beholding vanity; and quicken thou me in thy way.
25 My soul cleaveth unto the dust: quicken thou me according to thy word.
“There is none righteous, not even one;
11 There is none who understands,
There is none who seeks for God;
Ps 119
2 Blessed are those who keep his testimonies,
who seek him with their whole heart,
7 I will praise you with an upright heart,
when I learn your righteous rules
12 All have turned aside, together they have become worthless;
There is none who does good,
There is not even one.”
39 Turn away the reproach that I dread,
for your rules are good.
102 I do not turn aside from your rules,
for you have taught me.
37 Turn my eyes from looking at worthless things;
and give me life in your ways.
13 “Their throat is an open tomb,
With their tongues they keep deceiving,”
“The poison of asps is under their lips”;
13 With my lips I declare
all the rules of your mouth.
172 My tongue will sing of your word,
for all your commandments are right.
171 My lips will pour forth praise,
for you teach me your statutes.
14 “Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness”;
131 I open my mouth and pant,
because I long for your commandments.
15 “Their feet are swift to shed blood,
101 I hold back my feet from every evil way,
in order to keep your word.
16 Destruction and misery are in their paths,
105 Your word is a lamp to my feet
and a light to my path.
17 And the path of peace they have not known.”
18 “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”
120 My flesh trembles for fear of you,
and I am afraid of your judgments.
159 Consider how I love your precepts!
Give me life according to your steadfast love.
There may be more to this than you realize.
19 Now we know that whatever the Law says, it speaks to those who are in the Law, so that every mouth may be shut and all the world may become accountable to God; 20 because by the works [
g]of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight, for [
h]through the Law
comes the knowledge of sin.
Indeed. Back to the topic:
Luke 15:8 “Or what woman,
having ten silver coins, if she loses one coin, does not light a lamp and sweep the house and seek diligently until she finds it?
The woman did not have the thought of ten coins, the idea of ten coins, the intention of having ten coins later.....She had, in her possession, ten actual coins, and lost one. That means that before the coin was lost, it was with the woman. If the woman is Christ and we are the coin, then we were with Christ before being lost, it would seem.
You claim not to be pelagian, but your words show different.
While you were busy studying
men and their thoughts on scripture, I studied
scripture. So if I dont agree with what
some man said, I get accused of being the disciple of
another man. If you dont agree with what
the bible said, I will tell you that your view is
unscriptural. Therein lies the difference in our approaches.
Paul is separating humanity from the rest of creation (animals, plants, etc.), and then separating the elect/those who believe from the whole of humanity. I think it is funny that you believe that animals are sinners, and that Jesus died for them as well.
The idea that Paul means to bring animals and plants to the discussion in Romans 5 is so silly I cant even muster a response to it. Contextually, logically, rationally, it just fails on every level. Thats why the best you can do is say things like "you believe animals are sinners", your argument is so silly you need to say silly things to support it.
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