If everyone gets the same amount of saving grace

[Howie]

Why do you keep saying I said or you think I believe when I never said what you think I said or believe ?

What you said is, "no faith, no grace;" in that sequence, faith precedes grace. Is that what you believe?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

But if God drawing me is the only reason I gain than everyone would come.

Makes no sense at all. why would God drawing YOU be efficacious for any body else??

 

[preacher4truth]

The history of our libertarian free will choices. God created us that way, so yes it is God from that perspective.

More libertarian mythology?

No one comes to salvation via their will; John 1:13.

 

[Simpletruther]

Makes no sense at all. why would God drawing YOU be efficacious for any body else??

He Drew them too really right?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

He Drew them too really right?

He drew ME - individually, when the time was right.

 

[Simpletruther]

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He drew ME - individually, when the time was right.

Does he draw everyone?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

L

Does he draw everyone?

Based in Romans 9, I'd say NO - he does not.

 

[Kampioen]

More libertarian mythology?

No one comes to salvation via their will; John 1:13.

Not by merely willing it.

 

[Simpletruther]

Based in Romans 9, I'd say NO - he does not.

So those who do not come, it is because God has not chosen them to come at that time.

 

[American Gothic]

So if you're not God's friend it's because that's what God wants?

do people seem to want to be God's friend?

But he did that for everybody. That still leaves you having something you were not given.

to whom is Eternal life given?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So those who do not come, it is because God has not chosen them to come at that time.

OR they WERE Convicted of their SIN, but didn't Surrender, and repent. I didn't several times until the LAST time.

 

[Simpletruther]

OR they WERE Convicted of their SIN, but didn't Surrender, and repent. I didn't several times until the LAST time.

So either God didn't draw them as hard, or some are just better at not resisting.

You said earlier he doesn't draw everyone?

 

[Simpletruther]

do people seem to want to be God's friend?


to whom is Eternal life given?

So you had something you were not given?

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So either God didn't draw them as hard, or some are just better at not resisting.

You said earlier he doesn't draw everyone?

Romans 9 indicates that He shows mercy to SOME, and He hardens others. Draw your own conclusion.

 

[cjab]

Romans 9 indicates that He shows mercy to SOME, and He hardens others. Draw your own conclusion.

That's a pretty vacuous way of stating the issue. Doesn't the bible say very clearly why God refuses mercy (James 2:13)? Pharaoh had been oppressing the Israelites for a long time. He could have let the Israelites go, but God hardened his heart. Just because he was not an Israelite didn't automatically preclude him from making the right decision, as per King Abimelech of Gerar, who had similar threat of cursing made against him in Gen 20:6 by God on account of his oppressive behavior toward Abraham, but God didn't harden his heart. Instead Abimelech let Sarah go (Gen 20:14).

 

[Simpletruther]

Romans 9 indicates that He shows mercy to SOME, and He hardens others. Draw your own conclusion.

So if doesn't draw everyone and everyone he draws comes, our "choice" is totally dependant on his choice.

 

[American Gothic]

our "choice" is totally dependant on his choice.

our exercise of the required Belief is dependent on God works overcoming our natural resistance
making the impossible possible

that is done for the Elect

 

[Bob Carabbio]

So if doesn't draw everyone and everyone he draws comes, our "choice" is totally dependant on his choice.

Everything STARTS with God.

Simple as that.

 

[Swordman]

Saw this one pop-up to the top of the list.

I do not quite understand why this is confusing. What do people think grace is, some kind of substance that is poured into a person?