I'm sad because a Christian doesn't approve

[Theo1689]

Where?

Why do you keep asking me stupid questions when you and I both know that you have ZERO interest in the answers?

I'm not interested in wasting my time with your stupid games.

And if they did, then Jesus was wrong when he said his Father is "the only true God."

No, Jesus was not wrong.
There is only one God.
And the Father is that one God.
Thta doesn't present any problems for the Biblical Trinity.

No I don't.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

Trinitarians read their theology INTO the Bible.

Nope.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Because if the Trinity is false, then the entire Bible must be false, and worthy only for the trash.
Fortunately, I don't believe that.
I believe the Bible.
And because I believe the Bible, I believe the Trinity.

Why are you so threatened by that?

No. Why do you believe God is a Trinity?

<sigh>
Because it's what the Bible teaches.

I am well aware of the teaching of the Trinity. What I am not aware of is where it is taught in the Bible.

Well, that's your problem,, not mine.
If you're this obsessed about it, as I said you can to go the Trinity forum and ask all the questions you want, and if someone wants to waste their time with your stupid games, they are perfectly free to do so.

You could also read James White's "The Forgotten Trinity" if you were truly interested in learning (and we both know you're not), but we both know you won't do that, since you can't argue with a book.

But if you don't believe in the Trinity, then nobody's forcing you to.
I don't know why you wish to create a pointless argument when nobody's forcing you to believe anything you don't want to believe.

I'm quite familiar with most of the Trinitarian proof-texts, but Trinitarians understand them the way they do because of their belief that God is a Trinity.

No, that's false.
That's simply your worthless rationalization to reject God's word.

The "deity of Jesus" isn't actually taught in any of those verses.

Well, since you are clearly wrong, we will have to agree to disagree.
Because if they don't teach the deity of Jesus, then NONE of the Bible can be trusted.

Again, Trinitarians "see" it there because they were taught that God is a Trinity, then shown verses that "support" it.

Wrong again.

I love the Bible.

Clearly you hate the Bible, and reject it.
And if you wish to keep harassing me by continuing this pointless exchange, I will simply continue to point that out.

I care that you know the truth.

And you teach falsehoods.
The Bible teaches me truth.

Acts 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. ​

I have examined the Scriptures, just as the noble Bereans did.
And they teach the Trinity.
The Bible is trustworthy and reliable.
You are untrustworthy and unreliable.

The truth is that the Father is "the only true God,"

Amen!
And thet Trinity is 100% consistent with that.

and that Jesus Christ is God's human Messiah.

Amen!
And thet Trinity is 100% consistent with that.

I'm more interested in what the Bible teaches...

Then stop harassing me, and spend your time studying the Bible.

 

[shroom]

Why do you keep asking me stupid questions when you and I both know that you have ZERO interest in the answers?

I'm not interested in wasting my time with your stupid games.



No, Jesus was not wrong.
There is only one God.
And the Father is that one God.
Thta doesn't present any problems for the Biblical Trinity.



I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.



Nope.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Because if the Trinity is false, then the entire Bible must be false, and worthy only for the trash.
Fortunately, I don't believe that.
I believe the Bible.
And because I believe the Bible, I believe the Trinity.

Why are you so threatened by that?



<sigh>
Because it's what the Bible teaches.



Well, that's your problem,, not mine.
If you're this obsessed about it, as I said you can to go the Trinity forum and ask all the questions you want, and if someone wants to waste their time with your stupid games, they are perfectly free to do so.

You could also read James White's "The Forgotten Trinity" if you were truly interested in learning (and we both know you're not), but we both know you won't do that, since you can't argue with a book.

But if you don't believe in the Trinity, then nobody's forcing you to.
I don't know why you wish to create a pointless argument when nobody's forcing you to believe anything you don't want to believe.



No, that's false.
That's simply your worthless rationalization to reject God's word.



Well, since you are clearly wrong, we will have to agree to disagree.
Because if they don't teach the deity of Jesus, then NONE of the Bible can be trusted.



Wrong again.



Clearly you hate the Bible, and reject it.
And if you wish to keep harassing me by continuing this pointless exchange, I will simply continue to point that out.



And you teach falsehoods.
The Bible teaches me truth.

Acts 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so. ​

I have examined the Scriptures, just as the noble Bereans did.
And they teach the Trinity.
The Bible is trustworthy and reliable.
You are untrustworthy and unreliable.



Amen!
And thet Trinity is 100% consistent with that.



Amen!
And thet Trinity is 100% consistent with that.



Then stop harassing me, and spend your time studying the Bible.

Thanks for your time, Theo.
I absolutely agree that the Bible is trustworthy and reliable, which is the reason I do not believe God is a Trinity.
I can't convince you.
It may not happen in this life, but one day you'll know God is not a Trinity.
You'll also learn that Calvinism is false.

I do hope things work out well for you.

 

[Theo1689]

Thanks for your time, Theo.
I absolutely agree that the Bible is trustworthy and reliable, which is the reason I do not believe God is a Trinity.
I can't convince you.

You're right.
You can't convince me that your false teachings are true.

It may not happen in this life, but one day you'll know God is not a Trinity.
You'll also learn that Calvinism is false.

Bearing false witness is a sin.
You need to repent.
No matter how confident you may be in your false claims, they sitll remain false.
The Trinity is true.
And Calvinism is true.
If not, then the Bible is worthless garbage.
You are trying to tell me that the Bible is worthless garbage.

Now please stop harassing me.

I do hope things work out well for you.

Of course they will.
They already have.
I have been saved from the false teachings you spew.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

 

[shroom]

You're right.
You can't convince me that your false teachings are true.

One day you'll know they are not false.

Bearing false witness is a sin.

I'm not bearing false witness.

You need to repent.

From what?

No matter how confident you may be in your false claims, they sitll remain false.

They're true. One day you'll believe them too.

The Trinity is true.
And Calvinism is true.

Both are false.

If not, then the Bible is worthless garbage.

The Bible is the Word of God. At least two things you claim the Bible teaches, it does not.

You are trying to tell me that the Bible is worthless garbage.

The Bible is the Word of God.

Now please stop harassing me.

Ok, I'll leave you be.

Of course they will.
They already have.
I have been saved from the false teachings you spew.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

I'll leave you be. One day you'll remember me.... and wish you had listened.

 

[Theo1689]

One day you'll know they are not false.

No I won't, since they are indeed false.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

I'm not bearing false witness.

Yes, you are.
And one day the Triune God will call you out to your face, and you will be forced to bown down and repent in humility.

Now kindly stop harassing me.

Both are false.

They are both true.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

The Bible is the Word of God. At least two things you claim the Bible teaches, it does not.

No matter how many times you show your hate for God by denying His truth of the Trinity and Calvinism, they remain true.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

Ok, I'll leave you be.

Finally?
I'll believe it when I see it.

I'll leave you be. One day you'll remember me.... and wish you had listened.

Nope.
I don't listen to heretics who hate God and deny His truth.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

 

[shroom]

No I won't, since they are indeed false.
Now kindly stop harassing me.



Yes, you are.
And one day the Triune God will call you out to your face, and you will be forced to bown down and repent in humility.

Now kindly stop harassing me.



They are both true.
Now kindly stop harassing me.



No matter how many times you show your hate for God by denying His truth of the Trinity and Calvinism, they remain true.
Now kindly stop harassing me.



Finally?
I'll believe it when I see it.



Nope.
I don't listen to heretics who hate God and deny His truth.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

Man, have you got a chip on your shoulder...

Last post, for now. Later.

 

[keiw]

Guess what?

God's truth is NOT defined by:
- "The Catholic Encyclopedia";
- "What the Apostolic Fathers understood";
- "What the Jews understood";

God's truth is determined by THE BIBLE.
And THE BIBLE teaches God is Triune.
And Jesus most CERTAINLY knows that Trinity, since He is part of it.

I think YOU need to "relook".

Yes and Jesus' followers believe him-John 20:17, Rev 3:12Even the Israelites knew the messiah has a God Psalm 4:7Paul teaches fact-1Cor 8:6There is one God to all the Father.--trinity translations are altered by these 2Thess 2:3-by satans will to mislead. RELOOK.
Theyremoved Gods name against his will by satans will. Thus give support to satans will over Gods will by the altered translations they use. TO MISLEAD.

 

[Theo1689]

Man, have you got a chip on your shoulder...

You're the one who is harassing me trying to get me to debate a topic you have absolutely NO INTEREST in learning about.

I'm not the one with the "chip on [his] shoulder".

Last post, for now. Later.

Yeah, that's what you said last time.
Nice to know we can't rely on ANYTHING you claim.

Now kindly stop harassing me.

 

[Theo1689]

Yes and Jesus' followers believe him-John 20:17, Rev 3:12Even the Israelites knew the messiah has a God Psalm 4:7Paul teaches fact-1Cor 8:6There is one God to all the Father.--trinity translations are altered by these 2Thess 2:3-by satans will to mislead. RELOOK.

Why?
None of that denies the Trinity.
YOU are the one RUNNING AWAY from all the "Jesus is God" passges.
So YOU are the one with the problem with Scripture, not me.

But guess what?
I'm not trying to force you to accept the Trinity.
So why are you harassing me?

Theyremoved Gods name against his will by satans will.

Blah blah blah blah blah.
It's not as simplistic (or conspiratorial) as you would like to claim.

Thus give support to satans will over Gods will by the altered translations they use. TO MISLEAD.

So you're calling God Satan.
WOW.

Just .... .WOW.

 

[Gary Mac]

Because He is in the godhead, and I'm not.

God is my head, knowledge, He is the head of my body, my godhead bodily and directs this body what it should and should not be. This body is subject to my mind, head.

Why do you want me to reject the Bible?

We dont God want you too, be what it says you should be in Gods same image that He creates man to be and walk as He walks in it, perfect even as your Father in heaven is perfect as the Bible is clear that we should.

That is something I will NEVER do.
I find it much easier to simply reject a heretic such as yourself.

As Jesus was reject for heresy for the very same reason?

I think we're done.

Never discard a conviction. If it is important for the Spirit of God to bring to your attention, it is that thing He is detecting. You look for a great thing to have to give up in order to be like Him when all the wile He is telling you some tiny thing, but at the back of it lies the central citadel of obstinacy, you will not give up that right to self beliefs, doctrine, the very thing God intends for you to give up if you ever are going to be His disciple as Jesus was. Following the ways of Jesus is to follow the same God he was of and obeyed. Jesus gave up the right to self beliefs in Matt 3:16 that he taught in the temple as rabbi even from a young age. What makes us exempt from the same, is it not from obstinacy at it highest?

 

[Our Lord's God]

No I won't, since they are indeed false.
Now kindly stop harassing me.



Yes, you are.
And one day the Triune God will call you out to your face, and you will be forced to bown down and repent in humility.

Now kindly stop harassing me.



They are both true.
Now kindly stop harassing me.



No matter how many times you show your hate for God by denying His truth of the Trinity and Calvinism, they remain true.
Now kindly stop harassing me.



Finally?
I'll believe it when I see it.



Nope.
I don't listen to heretics who hate God and deny His truth.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

Your end game is always the same - foot stomping.

 

[Theo1689]

As Jesus was reject for heresy for the very same reason?

No, Jesus was not a heretic.
Why do you feel the need to waste my time with your stupid questions?

You look for a great thing to have to give up in order to be like Him

Why are you bearing false witness against me?
You do realize, I hope, that you are simply destroying your own credibility?

you will not give up that right to self beliefs, doctrine, the very thing God intends for you to give up if you ever are going to be His disciple as Jesus was.

You don't speak for God.
My beliefs are 100% Biblical.

Now kindly stop harassing me.

Following the ways of Jesus is to follow the same God he was of and obeyed.

And that is EXACTLY what Trinitarians do.
Now please stop harassing me.

Jesus gave up the right to self beliefs

Then why don't you follow him by YOU giving up YOUR OWN false beliefs, including your rejection of the Trinity?

in Matt 3:16 that he taught in the temple as rabbi even from a young age. What makes us exempt from the same, is it not from obstinacy at it highest?

You're speaking nonsense, and wasting my time.
Kindly stop harassing me.

 

[Theo1689]

Your end game is always the same - foot stomping.

Where did Jesus teach, "Thou shalt harass everyone and force them to agree with all your false teachings"?

Jesus taught His apostles to shake the dust off their feet and leave.

 

[Gary Mac]

No, Jesus was not a heretic.

He was to those who said he was.

Why do you feel the need to waste my time with your stupid questions?

If witnessing The Christ is a waste of time for you, I do understand why.

Why are you bearing false witness against me?

Why are you me?

You do realize, I hope, that you are simply destroying your own credibility?

Just as Jesus did to the same? All that I do is repeat that what Jesus said of himself and his God who sent him to show people the way to Him.

You don't speak for God.

Dont have to, He is quite capable of doing that Himself in all who will lien to Him, sadly not many wisent to Him do they, they are to busy dictating to Him their own ideas.

My beliefs are 100% Biblical.

So was Jim Jones and David Koresh, Jeff Warren, they all backed up their beliefs with the Bible didnt they?

Now kindly stop harassing me.

If witnessing the ways of God to you is harassment , I do understand why.

And that is EXACTLY what Trinitarians do.
Now please stop harassing me.

Ok Ill just keep quoting that what Jesus said you should be, and then you can accuse him of harassment.

Then why don't you follow him by YOU giving up YOUR OWN false beliefs, including your rejection of the Trinity?

As Jesus did when he gave up his beliefs for a god that he taught as Rabbi in the jewish beliefs for a god even from a young age and in Matt 3:16 and became like the God of it to know this difference?

You're speaking nonsense, and wasting my time.

The ways of Christ is always a waste of time for religious minds who has other ideas for a god other then to be like the One Jesus was of.

Kindly stop harassing me.

Will you stop harassing me?

 

[Gary Mac]

Where did Jesus teach, "Thou shalt harass everyone and force them to agree with all your false teachings"?

Do you mean as you are doing?

Jesus taught His apostles to shake the dust off their feet and leave.

Jesus taught me to be as he was in the Father. Perfect even as my Father in heaven is perfect.

What did you say Jesus taught you? to walk away from his own that we are?

 

[Theo1689]

He was to those who said he was.

Okay, so you are claiming Jesus was a heretic.
Thank you for the admission.

If witnessing The Christ is a waste of time for you, I do understand why.

Well, of course that's not what I said.
I don't need you to witness Christ to me, since I already know Him, and you don't.

Just as Jesus did to the same? All that I do is repeat that what Jesus said of himself and his God who sent him to show people the way to Him.

And Trinitarians agree with EVERYTHING Jesus taught.
That's why we reject your heresies.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

Dont have to, He is quite capable of doing that Himself

Great.
Then you have no need to harass me further.
Simply let Jesus do His job.

in all who will lien to Him, sadly not many wisent to Him do they, they are to busy dictating to Him their own ideas.

Wow.
Your false Jesus is weak as all get out.
My Jesus, the True Jesus, will not fail in bringing EVERY SINGLE ONE of His sheep to Himself.

So was Jim Jones and David Koresh, Jeff Warren, they all backed up their beliefs with the Bible didnt they?

<Chucikle>
Yes, you're in the same group as they.
And FYI, it's "Warren Jeffs", not "Jeff Warren".
You truly have no clue about ANYTHING you spew, do you?

If witnessing the ways of God to you is harassment , I do understand why.

But you are not witnessing "the ways of God".
You are witnessing damnable heresy.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

Ok Ill just keep quoting that what Jesus said you should be, and then you can accuse him of harassment.

Jesus agrees with me.
He disagrees with you.
Now kindly stop harassing me.

Will you stop harassing me?

I"m not the one who keeps posting when I ask you not to.

 

[Theo1689]

What did you say Jesus taught you?

Why are you trying to harass me by trying to force me into a worthless and time-wasting "discussion" that I have no interest in?

Kindly stop harassing me.

 

[Gary Mac]

Okay, so you are claiming Jesus was a heretic.

Well' read your Bible, I think you will find in it that those who had him crucified was for heresies against their religion.

Thank you for the admission.

You are welcome!

Well, of course that's not what I said.
I don't need you to witness Christ to me, since I already know Him, and you don't.

The same was said to Jesus they know God but Jesus didnt and the reason they had him crucified for heresy. Are you sure you have read the Bible?

And Trinitarians agree with EVERYTHING Jesus taught.

So did Jim Jones and David Koresh and Jeff Warren, they said so.

That's why we reject your heresies.

I know.

Now kindly stop harassing me.

Perhaps you should stop harassing me!

Great.
Then you have no need to harass me further.

Nor do you I.

Simply let Jesus do His job.

He already did, he lead me to Gods salvation.

Wow.
Your false Jesus is weak as all get out.

He always is to one who has other ideas about who he actually was in the Father.

My Jesus, the True Jesus, will not fail in bringing EVERY SINGLE ONE of His sheep to Himself.

Amen, we are he was in the Father.

<Chucikle>
Yes, you're in the same group as they.

Same group Jesus was in I agree. But these only had a belief about Jesus and God, with no reality of God Himself comeing to reside in them. Similar to yourself only different beliefs that you can control of Him.

And FYI, it's "Warren Jeffs", not "Jeff Warren".

Yes my mistake, you are correct.

You truly have no clue about ANYTHING you spew, do you?

I know what God puts within man if that is what you mean, and seems to escape your knowledge from God Himself. All that you know is what you have read or someone else said about Him instead of God Himself coming to you as He didi in Adam in Gen 3:22 when he became like GHoid to know this difference, Abraham received that same Spirit of Gods mind, Moses recioeved that same Spirit of Gods mind, Mary recieve that same Spirit, Jesus recioeved that same knowledge in Matt 3:16, 120 int an upper room recoieved from God the same mind, and do did I. Something it is obvious you have not encountered yet for when you do see Him as He is, ye shall be like Him as well, 1 John 3. But then you would have to believe that wouldn't you?

But you are not witnessing "the ways of God".

To you I agree. These who had Jesus crucified couldn't relate to his witness either.

You are witnessing damnable heresy.

So was Jesus to the same and look what happened to him for the very same reason.

Now kindly stop harassing me.

Now kindly stop harassing me for being of God.

Jesus agrees with me.

Yes he did and said many will come in his name but never knew him.

He disagrees with you.

Oh No' he was my brother we have the same Father who is God.

Now kindly stop harassing me.

Now you can stop falsely accusing me of the very same thing Jesus was falsely accused of and stop harassing The Christ who is in me.

I"m not the one who keeps posting when I ask you not to.

If you dont want people to reply to your posts then dont post them. This is an open forum, open for discussion. Common among religious mind, these as yourself want to control the ways of God instead of being like Him as He commands of us all to be in His same image. I just dont see His image in yourself, I see your image instead.

 

[Gary Mac]

Why are you trying to harass me by trying to force me into a worthless and time-wasting "discussion" that I have no interest in?

Kindly stop harassing me.

Gods ultimate purpose is that He may be manifest in my mortal man. If that is harassment and belittling you as you say it is to be yourself, then if I were you I would re examine self for who you are in Him.

 

[Our Lord's God]

Where did Jesus teach, "Thou shalt harass everyone and force them to agree with all your false teachings"?

Jesus taught His apostles to shake the dust off their feet and leave.

Then why are you still here?