If intelligent design was a real science, its proponents would be able to answer with predictions for the ID future.Is intelligent design an ongoing process? Should we, for example, expect to see new creations appear?
Loaded question - try again.Other than Creationism Is there an alternative standard understanding of intelligent design?
Yes - new things are designed all the time.Is intelligent design an ongoing process? Should we, for example, expect to see new creations appear?
Prove they have not done so.If intelligent design was a real science, its proponents would be able to answer with predictions for the ID future.
Non-answer. Try again.Loaded question - try again.
Can you give any examples?Yes - new things are designed all the time.
Shifting the burden.Prove they have not done so.
Your evidence is?Shifting the burden.
An answer you dont like is not a non0answer.Non-answer. Try again.
Iphone 12 to the IPhone 13Can you give any examples?
A response that doesn't address the question is a non-answer.An answer you dont like is not a non0answer.
So the only examples of ongoing intelligent design are human in origin?Iphone 12 to the IPhone 13
Other than “creationism”, as you say, accurately defined as “wooden literalism” by another poster, —again, setting “creationism” aside, there is an ongoing intelligent design (not according to creationism) in which all causes known and unknown are bringing about what the supreme designer wills.Other than Creationism Is there an alternative standard understanding of intelligent design?
Is intelligent design an ongoing process? Should we, for example, expect to see new creations appear?
A response you don't like does not mean I did not address the question.A response that doesn't address the question is a non-answer.
Loaded question.So the only examples of ongoing intelligent design are human in origin?
The Big Crunch would involve the entire universe compressed into a black hole. Seems less than perfect to me......
IMO, it sounds like a Big Crunch, a return to a singularity, a perfect union of all things.
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How so?...
Loaded question.
I was alluding to how it was before the Big Bang, highly ordered energy or light, presuming, “an end as it was in the beginning.” We could argue back and forth but obviously we would be arguing about highly speculative possibilities, neither one of us able to prove or disprove. My point was to demonstrate one possibility for nature that may be reconciled to theological ideas or concepts pertaining to ongoing creative processes, to wit, the future for pious, virtuous souls. Since you have no interest in such a future then you don’t have to consider such a possibility.The Big Crunch would involve the entire universe compressed into a black hole. Seems less than perfect to me...
True, but the confidence interval for either a cold death or a big crunch overlap at this point, so the verdict is not out yet.Also, the evidence indicates expansion is accelerating, so the Big Crunch seems increasingly unlikely.
Nope - you don't get to ask until you prove your own claims first.How so?
Another loaded question.Do you actually know what a loaded question is?
Thanks, that answers my question with a resounding NO!Nope - you don't get to ask until you prove your own claims first.
Another loaded question.
Okay, so perfect in the sense of being pristine, rather than as a nice place to live....I was alluding to how it was before the Big Bang, highly ordered energy or light, presuming, “an end as it was in the beginning.” We could argue back and forth but obviously we would be arguing about highly speculative possibilities, neither one of us able to prove or disprove. My point was to demonstrate one possibility for nature that may be reconciled to theological ideas or concepts pertaining to ongoing creative processes, to wit, the future for pious, virtuous souls. Since you have no interest in such a future then you don’t have to consider such a possibility.
Pristine, ordered, immaterial, …perfect (maybe), pure light or energy, …before our present material world (at least), before a chaotic material world. Along those lines.Okay, so perfect in the sense of being pristine, rather than as a nice place to live....
I am definitely not an expert on it either.It does raise the point that what you describe is a very low entropy situation. Entropy at the Big Bang was lower than at any time since, for the same reason. A Big Crunch would seem to me to violate the second law of Thermodynamics. I have to acknowledge that people more knowledgeable in physics still entertain it as a possibility.
Should we, for example, expect to see new creations appear?
No thanks to your hypocrisyThanks, that answers my question with a resounding NO!