Jesus pierced, YHWH pierced.

[Photine]

Don't stop there...

However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10 If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

There is only ONE life-giving Spirit for/in the body of Christ. Eph 4:4

The first man, Adam, became a living soul.” The last Adam life-giving Spirit." 1 Cor 15:45

Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know him in this way no longer. 2 Corinthians 5:16

So if we no longer know Christ according to the flesh, we now know Christ according to the ______________?

The Lord IS the Spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:17

Paul is referring to the Holy Spirit.

you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts... not of the letter but of the Spirit for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.... the ministry of the Spirit... 14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.

The Lord IS the Spirit. 2 Corinthians 3:17

Paul confirms "the Lord" is the Lord Jesus in several ways.

14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.
And again...
14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.... 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing... so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

And finally, he denies any reason for doubt.

14 But their minds were hardened; for until this very day at the reading of the old covenant the same veil remains unlifted, because it is removed in Christ. 15 But to this day whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their heart; 16 but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit.... 3 And even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing... so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. 5 For we do not preach ourselves but Jesus Christ as Lord

Finally the reinforcements arrive!

 

[Our Lord's God]

well why don't you decipher the "incredible mess" you just might be able to understand the verse.

Sorry, but sense cannot be made out of total nonsense.

so, pictures are needed. that verb "be" in front of SUBJECT, it changes it's meaning..... (smile), you had no clue, didn't you? .... LOL, LOL, LOL, Oh dear.

this is why U are still IGNORANT. pick up a dictionary sometime and root out words and their meaning.

101G.

 

[Tanachreader]

Apparently not.

The only one explicitly referred to as God is the Father.

John 17
3Now this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.

1 Corinthians 8
4So about eating food sacrificed to idols: We know that an idol is nothing at all in the world, and that there is no God but one. 5For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many so-called gods and lords), 6yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we exist. And there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we exist.

Philippians 2
10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

Too many references to list.

The Old Testament alone references the One God over 6,200 times. There was no discussion whatsoever about more than One God or a dual God or a triune God.

John 1-14 says who Jesus is.
God and man.

Your unbelief and false teacing keeps you from nowing Him.

 

[Our Lord's God]

John 1-14 says who Jesus is.
God and man.

Says nothing of the sort. Your imaginations did that.

Your unbelief and false teacing keeps you from nowing Him.

 

[Runningman]

Says nothing of the sort. Your imaginations did that.

See that? They have gotten to the point in their self-deception that the unbelievers are now the ones who actually believe God and His Son are who the Bible says they are.

Who would have thought Peter was prophesying about the “church?”

2 Peter 2
1Now there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.2Many will follow in their depravity, and because of them the way of truth will be defamed. 3In their greed, these false teachers will exploit you with deceptive words. The longstanding verdict against them remains in force, and their destruction does not sleep.

Acts 20
28Look after yourselves and everyone the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be like shepherds to God's church. It is the flock he bought with the blood of his own Son.

 

[Runningman]

John 1-14 says who Jesus is.
God and man.

Your unbelief and false teacing keeps you from nowing Him.

Your bold declaration from a place of profound ignorance tells me that you’re the false teacher. No doubt about it.

You probably don’t know you’re deceived, but being confronted with the Bible as a “believing Christian”, as you seem to be, and then rejecting it is a case in point.

 

[johnny guitar]

So is the Holy Spirit the Spirit of God? Yes or no?

YEP!
And...........................

 

[Tanachreader]

See that? They have gotten to the point in their self-deception that the unbelievers are now the ones who actually believe God and His Son are who the Bible says they are.

Who would have thought Peter was prophesying about the “church?”

2 Peter 2
1Now there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves.2Many will follow in their depravity, and because of them the way of truth will be defamed. 3In their greed, these false teachers will exploit you with deceptive words. The longstanding verdict against them remains in force, and their destruction does not sleep.

Acts 20
28Look after yourselves and everyone the Holy Spirit has placed in your care. Be like shepherds to God's church. It is the flock he bought with the blood of his own Son.

Jesus is God

"You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, so that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he.

carm.org

 

[johnny guitar]

Says nothing of the sort. Your imaginations did that.

Another OLG head in the sand response and denial.

 

[johnny guitar]

Your bold declaration from a place of profound ignorance tells me that you’re the false teacher. No doubt about it.

You probably don’t know you’re deceived, but being confronted with the Bible as a “believing Christian”, as you seem to be, and then rejecting it is a case in point.

Nothing more than an Ad hominin.

 

[Tanachreader]

Your bold declaration from a place of profound ignorance tells me that you’re the false teacher. No doubt about it.

You probably don’t know you’re deceived, but being confronted with the Bible as a “believing Christian”, as you seem to be, and then rejecting it is a case in point.

We know that Jesus is God in the flesh because the Bible says many things declaring this. For example,

1. John 1:1, “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2. John 1:14, “and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…”
3. John 8:24, “unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.”
4. John 8:58, “before Abraham was, I am.”
   1. Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
5. Col. 2:9, “for in Him dwells all the fullness of deity in bodily form.”
6. Heb. 1:8, “But of the Son he [The Father] says, ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.'”

After Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead, Thomas, one of the disciples, doubted that he had risen. Jesus appears to him, and Thomas responds by saying to Jesus “my Lord and my God,” (John 20:28). Jesus makes no correction to Thomas about this. Titus 2:13 tells us to wait for the coming of “our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.” In John 5:18 it says that Jesus “was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.”

It is clear from the Scriptures that Jesus is considered to be God in flesh; that is, he is considered to be divine. The reason is that without Jesus being both God and man, he could not make a sacrifice of sufficient value to please God the Father. If he were not a man, he would not be able to die for the sins of mankind.
Carm. Org

 

[Runningman]

We know that Jesus is God in the flesh because the Bible says many things declaring this. For example,

1. John 1:1, “in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2. John 1:14, “and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us…”
3. John 8:24, “unless you believe that I am, you will die in your sins.”
4. John 8:58, “before Abraham was, I am.”
   1. Exodus 3:14, “God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
5. Col. 2:9, “for in Him dwells all the fullness of deity in bodily form.”
6. Heb. 1:8, “But of the Son he [The Father] says, ‘Your throne, O God, is forever and ever.'”

After Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead, Thomas, one of the disciples, doubted that he had risen. Jesus appears to him, and Thomas responds by saying to Jesus “my Lord and my God,” (John 20:28). Jesus makes no correction to Thomas about this. Titus 2:13 tells us to wait for the coming of “our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus.” In John 5:18 it says that Jesus “was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God.”

It is clear from the Scriptures that Jesus is considered to be God in flesh; that is, he is considered to be divine. The reason is that without Jesus being both God and man, he could not make a sacrifice of sufficient value to please God the Father. If he were not a man, he would not be able to die for the sins of mankind.
Carm. Org

You’ve been deceived. None of it says Yeshua is God. Hebrews 1:8 is in reference to Psalm 45 about a human king with a wife. Humans kings are gods with a little g.

 

[johnny guitar]

You’ve been deceived. None of it says Yeshua is God. Hebrews 1:8 is in reference to Psalm 45 about a human king with a wife. Humans kings are gods with a little g.

In Hebrews 1:8 The Father is addressing The Son and calls Him God.
You are soundly refuted.
And kings are NOT gods, they are men.

 

[Newbirth]

Glad you're sticking with your answer that Jesus is just a man. remember you said, "The father biological? The father is a spirit. Jesus his son is a man. That is not rocket science.

Yep and you should quote me. Jesus is a man...I never said Jesus is "just"a man. You are nothing but a hypocrite. Jesus was born , was he not? Jesus died, ,did he not?

and you said that you're sticking with your answer that Jesus is just a man.

I am sticking with Jesus is a man.

..... Good now this. Matthew 17:1 "And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart," Matthew 17:2 "And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light."

Ex 34
29 And it came to pass, when Moses came down from mount Sinai with the two tables of testimony in Moses' hand, when he came down from the mount, that Moses wist not that the skin of his face shone while he talked with him.
30 And when Aaron and all the children of Israel saw Moses, behold, the skin of his face shone; and they were afraid to come nigh him.
31 And Moses called unto them; and Aaron and all the rulers of the congregation returned unto him: and Moses talked with them.
32 And afterward all the children of Israel came nigh: and he gave them in commandment all that the Lord had spoken with him in mount Sinai.
33 And till Moses had done speaking with them, he put a vail on his face.
34 But when Moses went in before the Lord to speak with him, he took the vail off, until he came out. And he came out, and spake unto the children of Israel that which he was commanded.
35 And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses' face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him.

So what does a shining face make Moses?

now that you said that Jesus is a man, as U and I, well let's see you TRANFIGURE yourself as this ... "MAN" ...did

Moses was a man like us too. Let's see you make your face shine like Moses.

... just give us full warning ahead of time so that we can put on our sunglasses.

Warning for what? Your obvious ignorance of the scriptures?

now you can choose any mountain top as you please. but just let us know when you do.... ok...... (smile)..... LOL< LOL< LOL< Oh dear.

101G.

Philippians 3:21
Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
When this happens, will we be men or not? When we receive a glorious body will we be men or God?

PS when you do TRANFIGFURE yourself then 101G will believe what you said,

The passage does not say Jesus transfigured himself.

until then you are just another false prophet who knows NOTHING.

How so? What does vs 5 say? Who do you think was speaking?
How about vs 9? Who was Jesus speaking about?
It does not say until God be risen again from the dead, does it?


2 And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
3 And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.
4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6 And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face, and were sore afraid.
7 And Jesus came and touched them, and said, Arise, and be not afraid.
8 And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only.
9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.

 

[Runningman]

In Hebrews 1:8 The Father is addressing The Son and calls Him God.
You are soundly refuted.

It’s directly quoted in Psalm 45 where it says he’s a human. God isn’t a human. You’ve been debunked, completely.

Numbers 23:19
Titus 1:2

God cannot lie.

And kings are NOT gods, they are men.

Oopsie daisy! Another swing and a miss for Johnny boy.

Psalm 82
6I have said, ‘You are gods;
you are all sons of the Most High.’

Yeshua is a god because he’s the son. Not because he’s God. He even said so himself.

John 10
34Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’d? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God?

 

[Newbirth]

Oh how IGNORANT. did JESUS, the Lord, have blood before he came in flesh? .... No.

But when he became flesh, he had blood, which means he was mortal. God cannot die can he?

That body died, that he took on.

and the body was resurrected, what is your point?

do you understand the FIRST "DEATH".

Do you understand that the dead will be resurrected? What is your point. Only dead men are resurrected. Jesus was resurrected which makes Jesus a man who died and was resurrected.

not of the spirit, but of the flesh, the body. that's basic bible study...

Which you seem not to understand. The spirit does not die; therefore, it is not resurrected. Only the body is resurrected. Are you saying that Jesus did not die?

you should have known this.

101G.

Known what? You seem to be saying that Jesus did not die. You seem to be saying that the body that died on the cross was not Jesus. If Jesus did not die, please tell us who did.

 

[johnny guitar]

It’s directly quoted in Psalm 45 where it says he’s a human. God isn’t a human. You’ve been debunked, completely.

Numbers 23:19
Titus 1:2

God cannot lie.

Oopsie daisy! Another swing and a miss for Johnny boy.

Psalm 82
6I have said, ‘You are gods;
you are all sons of the Most High.’

Yeshua is a god because he’s the son. Not because he’s God. He even said so himself.

John 10
34Jesus replied, “Is it not written in your Law: ‘I have said you are gods’d? 35If he called them gods to whom the word of God came—and the Scripture cannot be broken— 36then what about the One whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world? How then can you accuse Me of blasphemy for stating that I am the Son of God?

Evasion of Hebrews 1:8.
NO Bible passage calls Jesus a god.
Jesus claimed to be God MANY times.
Indeed, why did the Jews accuse Jesus of blasphemy???

 

[Newbirth]

To all,
people, people, people. the Lord Jesus is GOD, the one true God in an ECHAD of "FIRST" and "LAST". the same one ...PERSON, only "SHARED" and not a separate person....

101G.

To all pepole , people , people. If the Lord Jesus is God please ask 101G who was speaking about Jesus here...5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Was that Mary or Joseph?
Please ask him to tell us who Jesus was praying to here...
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

 

[Runningman]

Evasion of Hebrews 1:8.
NO Bible passage calls Jesus a god.
Jesus claimed to be God MANY times.
Indeed, why did the Jews accuse Jesus of blasphemy???

They accused him of blasphemy because doing that in front of a group of religious zealots with murder in their heart is a quick way to get someone killed. They just wanted him dead, gone, out of the way.

Know why? Because they even claimed to be God’s children themselves and no one cared because it isn’t blasphemy.

John 8
41“We are not illegitimate children,” they declared. “Our only Father is God Himself.”

 

[johnny guitar]

To all pepole , people , people. If the Lord Jesus is God please ask 101G who was speaking about Jesus here...5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
Was that Mary or Joseph?
Please ask him to tell us who Jesus was praying to here...
John 17:3
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Father was speaking at the transformation of His Son.
And......................