Jesus pierced, YHWH pierced.

[Newbirth]

Your adding words. Why are you doing that? God didn't impregnate anybody.

of course he did ...that is the sign. are you deny the Lord himself gives the sign?

A young woman conceives... and then the sign continues thru v15-16. Mary and Jesus don't fit the context. The sign includes naming the child Immanuel. Jesus wasn't.

If that is your argument then Isaiah son was not names Immanuel either. Jeshua means God is salvation that is close enough

14Therefore the Lord Himself shall give you a sign: behold, the young woman shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel. 15Curd and honey shall he eat, when he knoweth to refuse the evil, and choose the good. 16Yea, before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land whose two kings thou hast a horror of shall be forsaken.

So clearly is was not the son of Isaiah

Yeah a child is born and before he's old to know right and wrong... v15-16.

How is that a sign?

Ishah isn't a virgin in Gen 3:15. The context is Eve.

of course it is virgin, are you suggesting that Eve had sex before Gen 4?

Rebecca had descendants too. You were shown this previously.

not at the well where she met Abraham's servant. She was a virgin there.

Rebecca is called a bethulah in v16, she didn't have relations.

How does that nullify Gen 24:43 where she is called almah?

Almah doesn't guarantee that, as Proverbs 30:19 proves.

You are not making sense The proverb is
18 Three things are too wonderful for me,
four beyond my knowledge —
19 the way of an eagle in the sky,
the way of a snake on a rock,
the way of a ship on the open sea,
and the way of a man with a girl.

the same word used for Rebecca who is a virgin. This is an unknown girl not connected to the other proverb. Based on what are you claiming she was not a virgin? Oh she cannot be a witness.

Yes. Virgin, bethulah.

Gen 24;43 says almah look it up.

 

[Jewjitzu]

of course he did ...that is the sign. are you deny the Lord himself gives the sign?

No mention of impregnating a young woman. Surely God delivered Judah. That's the real sign.

Isaiah 8
3And I had relations with the prophetess, and she conceived and gave birth to a son. The LORD said to me, “Name him Maher-shalal-hash-baz. 4For before the boy knows how to cry ‘Father’ or ‘Mother,’ the wealth of Damascus and the plunder of Samaria will be carried off by the king of Assyria.”

Hmmm... just like Isa 7:15-16.

If that is your argument then Isaiah son was not names Immanuel either.

Why not? So, Jesus doesn't fit.

Jeshua means God is salvation that is close enough

Not really. Immanuel means God is with us. Yehoshua means YH is salvation.

So clearly is was not the son of Isaiah

Why not? Isa 8:18 says the children were given was signs.

How is that a sign?

It shows when Judah would be delivered. Visible. Your virgin isn't without a hymen check or blood cloths.

of course it is virgin, are you suggesting that Eve had sex before Gen 4?

Why not? They were married.

not at the well where she met Abraham's servant. She was a virgin there.

Yep, but usage of zera with Eve and Rebecca just means they had descendants, not that they conceived without a man.

How does that nullify Gen 24:43 where she is called almah?

Bethulah is more conclusive. Proverbs 30:19 that almah isn't a virgin.

You are not making sense The proverb is
18 Three things are too wonderful for me,
four beyond my knowledge —
19 the way of an eagle in the sky,
the way of a snake on a rock,
the way of a ship on the open sea,
and the way of a man with a girl.

No trace, no virgin.

the same word used for Rebecca who is a virgin. This is an unknown girl not connected to the other proverb. Based on what are you claiming she was not a virgin? Oh she cannot be a witness.

No, she wouldn't be a witness for herself. Someone else would have to be.

Gen 24;43 says almah look it up.

Yes. V16 says Bethulah who never had relations. Almah's might have had.

 

[Newbirth]

You don't think relations with a virgin would leave a trace?

The proverb is about the man having HIS way with a virgin. what is the trace he leaves?

 

[Newbirth]

Why not? So, Jesus doesn't fit.

He does, a virgin gave birth.

 

[Newbirth]

Not really. Immanuel means God is with us. Yehoshua means YH is salvation.

That is close enough. If God with you does not mean God is salvation what does?

 

[Newbirth]

Yes. V16 says Bethulah who never had relations. Almah's might have had.

So Rebecca might have had in Gen 24 :43?

 

[Newbirth]

No, she wouldn't be a witness for herself. Someone else would have to be.

Where is he?

 

[Newbirth]

Then she wasn't a virgin. You prove my point.

No it does not prove your point. The proverb is about the man

 

[Jewjitzu]

The proverb is about the man having HIS way with a virgin. what is the trace he leaves?

No trace. That's the point. With a virgin, there's blood involved.

 

[Jewjitzu]

No it does not.

Where's the blood on him, the sheets, etc.,?

 

[Jewjitzu]

Where is he?

Exactly.

 

[Jewjitzu]

So Rebecca might have had in Gen 24 :43?

Nope, but in Proverbs 30:19 she did.

 

[Newbirth]

Why not? Isa 8:18 says the children were given was signs.

you are funny ... The prophecy was for a future time,meanwhile they have another sign while they are waiting.
18 Meanwhile, I and the children
whom Adonai has given me
will become for Isra’el
signs and wonders
from Adonai-Tzva’ot
living on Mount Tziyon.

 

[Newbirth]

Exactly.

he disappeared without a trace...

 

[Jewjitzu]

That is close enough.

Sorry, it doesn't win the prize.

If God with you does not mean God is salvation what does?

Isaiah 8
9Huddle together, O peoples, and be shattered; pay attention, all you distant lands; prepare for battle, and be shattered; prepare for battle, and be shattered!

10Devise a plan, but it will be thwarted; state a proposal, but it will not happen. For God is with us.

 

[Newbirth]

Nope, but in Proverbs 30:19 she did.

So she was a virgin up until Pro 30:19.

 

[Jewjitzu]

So she was a virgin up until Pro 30:19.

She wasn't because there was no trace of blood.

 

[Newbirth]

Bethulah is more conclusive. Proverbs 30:19 that almah isn't a virgin.

because the man took her virginity in Pro 30:19...

 

[Jewjitzu]

he disappeared without a trace...

Exactly. He left no blood on the sheets, himself, her.

 

[Jewjitzu]

because the man took her virginity in Pro 30:19...

Without blood? Rotfl...