Mormon "Justification of life"

[Mesenja]

And you show by your attitude that you don't love Jesus.​

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at the height of his stature, because I have rejected him; for God sees not as man sees, for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”
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[Mesenja]

But, God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 8 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life Romans 5:8-10

Every Latter-day Saint agrees that through the atonement of Jesus Christ we are justified and reconciled to God. This is what the text actually says. It has nothing to do with the false doctrine of eternal security. The Apostle Paul also instructed Timothy to “fight the good fight, holding on to faith and a good conscience” so that he wouldn’t “shipwreck” his faith. (1 Timothy 1:18-19)




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[Magdalena]

But, God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 8 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life Romans 5:8-10

Every Latter-day Saint agrees that through the atonement of Jesus Christ we are justified and reconciled to God. This is what the text actually says. It has nothing to do with the false doctrine of eternal security. The Apostle Paul also instructed Timothy to “fight the good fight, holding on to faith and a good conscience” so that he wouldn’t “shipwreck” his faith. (1 Timothy 1:18-19)




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When has anyone here said we don’t continue to fight for good and hold the faith? Your claims are baseless.

 

[FeW_ArE_ChOseN]

Mormons teach that resurrection is a free gift to everyone even if they reject Christ and are sinful. How do those people end up in a kingdom of glory? This makes no sense!

Immortality is a state of endless life beyond the power of death, which is obtained following the Resurrection. All mortal souls will eventually become immortal through the power of the Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Immortality

Gospel topic information and links to additional resources

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“At the end of the millennium, the second resurrection begins. In the forepart of this resurrection of the unjust those destined to come forth will be ‘the spirits of men who are to be judged, and are found under condemnation; And these are the rest of the dead; and they live not again until the thousand years are ended, neither again, until the end of the earth.’ (D. & C. 88:100–101.) These are the ones who have earned telestial bodies, who were wicked and carnal in mortality, and who have suffered the wrath of God in hell ‘until the last resurrection, until the Lord, even Christ the Lamb, shall have finished his work.’ (D. & C. 76:85.) Their final destiny is to inherit a telestial glory. (D. & C. 76:81–112.)

Chapter 32: The Resurrection and the Judgment

Chapter 32: The Resurrection and the Judgment

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When you Consider that we are not using the Original Scriptures here, nor are we talking to the Original Authors in order to ask them Exactly what they meant and Also Exactly what they wrote At the Time, then we can begin to get a Better Understanding of why there are so many Ideas Out There - about Many Things - Everything about The Bible.

Concerning this Idea - there is a List of 100 Verses on the Web - if you look it up - that Lists Verses (Of The Bible) that tell/ appear to say/ possibly point to - might mean - that All will be Eventually Saved.

 

[FeW_ArE_ChOseN]

When you Consider that we are not using the Original Scriptures here, nor are we talking to the Original Authors in order to ask them Exactly what they meant and Also Exactly what they wrote At the Time, then we can begin to get a Better Understanding of why there are so many Ideas Out There - about Many Things - Everything about The Bible.

Concerning this Idea - there is a List of 100 Verses on the Web - if you look it up - that Lists Verses (Of The Bible) that tell/ appear to say/ possibly point to - might mean - that All will be Eventually Saved.

Edit: i guess it is Proofs, not verses. Just looked it up. 100 Scriptural Proofs.

 

[Mesenja]

But, God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 8 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life (Romans 5:8-10) Every Latter-day Saint agrees that through the atonement of Jesus Christ we are justified and reconciled to God. This is what the text actually says. It has nothing to do with the false doctrine of eternal security. The Apostle Paul also instructed Timothy to “fight the good fight, holding on to faith and a good conscience” so that he wouldn’t “shipwreck” his faith. (1 Timothy 1:18-19)​

How can we shipwreck our faith if we have eternal security?​

 

[Mesenja]

When has anyone here said we don’t continue to fight for good and hold the faith? Your claims are baseless.​

If we have eternal security or once we are saved then we can never loose our salvation then why did Paul warn Timothy to fight the good fight keeping faith and a good conscience, which some have rejected and suffer shipwreck? Why did Jesus say that in the last days many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another and that only the one who endures to the end, he will be saved? [1 Timothy 1:18-19;Matthew 24:10,13;Mark 13:13]

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[Mesenja]

2 Timothy 2:11-13

11 It is a trustworthy statement:For if we died with Him, we will also live with Him;
12 If we endure, we will also reign with Him;If we deny Him, He also will deny us;
13 If we are faithless, He remains faithful, for He cannot deny Himself.
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Salvation is conditional.
1. If we died with Him, we will also live with Him
2. If we endure, we will also reign with Him

Jesus remains faithful for He cannot deny himself however if we deny Him He also will deny us


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[brotherofJared]

When has anyone here said we don’t continue to fight for good and hold the faith? Your claims are baseless.

How did you get this out of that?

But, God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 8 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life Romans 5:8-10

Every Latter-day Saint agrees that through the atonement of Jesus Christ we are justified and reconciled to God. This is what the text actually says. It has nothing to do with the false doctrine of eternal security. The Apostle Paul also instructed Timothy to “fight the good fight, holding on to faith and a good conscience” so that he wouldn’t “shipwreck” his faith. (1 Timothy 1:18-19)

The issue is not with fighting for good and holding the faith. The issue at hand is that it's not necessary for salvation (eternal security). We believe it absolutely is.

 

[brotherofJared]

we can begin to get a Better Understanding of why there are so many Ideas Out There

I don't think so. You have to remember that at one time they had the original manuscripts and the authors and we still managed to generate so many ideas out there.

Concerning this Idea - there is a List of 100 Verses on the Web - if you look it up - that Lists Verses (Of The Bible) that tell/ appear to say/ possibly point to - might mean - that All will be Eventually Saved.

Not quite. There are those who cannot be forgiven in this world or in the world to come, so not all will be eventually saved. If you choose to look only at those 100 verses, then you can draw that conclusion, but there are other verses that say that simply isn't true. Your very statement is the reason we are in the mess we are in now. Some preacher read a few words and decided that it was the central focus of the scriptures and then went about making all the verses he could align with his idea (while ignoring those that didn't). That is what we typically find in modern Christianity today.

 

[Mesenja]

Edit: I guess it is Proofs, not verses. Just looked it up. 100 Scriptural Proofs.​

Proof texts.​

 

[Mesenja]

Romans 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Abraham demonstrated a "faithfulness" that is

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[Mesenja]

Romans 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

Acts 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.

Abraham demonstrated a "faithfulness" that is
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My apologies to everyone. This is an unfinished draft. Please disregard it.​

 

[Magdalena]

Romans 4:5 And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:​

What does that mean to you?

 

[Janice Bower]

When you Consider that we are not using the Original Scriptures here, nor are we talking to the Original Authors in order to ask them Exactly what they meant and Also Exactly what they wrote At the Time, then we can begin to get a Better Understanding of why there are so many Ideas Out There - about Many Things - Everything about The Bible.

Concerning this Idea - there is a List of 100 Verses on the Web - if you look it up - that Lists Verses (Of The Bible) that tell/ appear to say/ possibly point to - might mean - that All will be Eventually Saved.

What has your list of 100 verses got to do with Mormonism?

 

[dberrie2020]

When has anyone here said we don’t continue to fight for good and hold the faith? Your claims are baseless.

Not at all, IMO.

This is the point which I believe is under consideration:

1 Corinthians 9:24-27---King James Version
24 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain.
25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.
26 I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air:
27 But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

That principle is taught in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

 

[Magdalena]

How did you get this out of that?


The issue is not with fighting for good and holding the faith. The issue at hand is that it's not necessary for salvation (eternal security). We believe it absolutely is.

It’s all about what’s in your heart…

You/Mormons do “good works” to earn your salvation.

We do it because we realize that Christ already paid for us. So we try to do good and be more like Him and help others, out of gratitude and love.

Thats a huge difference.

 

[Magdalena]

no flesh that can dwell in the presence of God, save it be through the merits … of the Holy Messiah 2 Nephi 2:8
man … could not merit anything of himself Alma 22:14
taken away the guilt from our hearts, through the merits of his Son Alma 24:10
relying alone upon the merits of Christ Moroni 6:4 (Doctrine & Covenants 3:20)​

“…after all we can do.”

 

[Mesenja]

What does that mean to you?​

See #155​

 

[Mesenja]

“…after all we can do.”​

relying alone upon the merits of Christ Moroni 6:4 (Doctrine & Covenants 3:20)
alone adverb indicating that something is confined to the specified subject or recipient.​