Romans 8:28-30, The Golden Chain of Salvation for those already "in Christ".

[Theo1689]

There you go. You are outright rejecting Gal 4:9.

No, he didn't.
YOU are the one who has rejected Jer. 1:5 (among other passages).

That is, if you want to continue to play this stupid game.

What needs to be done at all times is harmonize verses,

... which you are unable to do.

not to reject certain verses in favor of other verses.

No Calvinist "rejects certain verses".

Once again, you need to get yourself ejumacated, and learn the difference between what Scripture teaches (which we believe), and what your INTERPRETATION of Scripture is (which we reject). They are NOT the same thing.

Give harmonization a chance.

Please lose the condescension.
We have already harmonized the entire Bible.

See if you can harmonize Gal 4:9 with the Bible sheep verses.

We have.

 

[Christian]

There you go. You are outright rejecting Gal 4:9. What needs to be done at all times is harmonize verses, not to reject certain verses in favor of other verses. Give harmonization a chance. See if you can harmonize Gal 4:9 with the Bible sheep verses.

Two thumbs up !

 

[Synergy]

I stand by what I said. God knows His sheep and they come when they are called. They were once lost but now are found. The one who needs to harmonize is you. Obviously the relationship changes after we come to Him.

Gal 4:9 says that the relationship goes from God not knowing an unbeliever to God knowing the same person who now believes. Are you talking about the same change between a lost sheep and a found sheep?
Let's see how well your harmonization is going.

 

[Synergy]

That's unBiblical.
Jer. 1:5 is but one example.
You truly are ignorant of the Bible, aren't you?

Jer 1:5 is not using the same Koine Greek word that Gal 4:9 is using.
Gal 4:9 uses γνωσθέντες (derivative of γινώσκω) and Rom 8:29 uses προέγνω (derivative of προγινώσκω). Notice the relationship.
Jer 1:5 instead uses ἐπίσταμαί.
You are totally ignorant of Koine Greek, aren't you?
This is yet another example of why Calvinists were ostracized in Greece and their myths anathemized several centuries ago.

 

[Reformedguy]

Gal 4:9 says that the relationship goes from God not knowing an unbeliever to God knowing the same person who now believes. Are you talking about the same change between a lost sheep and a found sheep?
Let's see how well your harmonization is going.

LOL thats not what it says at all. What does "or rather be known by God mean?" Seems to be making some sort of correction

 

[Synergy]

LOL thats not what it says at all. What does "or rather be known by God mean?" Seems to be making some sort of correction

It's clarifying the fact that it's ultimately God Who enables the new relationship of to be known by God. We must believe and turn away from our former ways but ultimately it is God Who now enables the relationship and now knows us.

But now, knowing God, but rather are known by God, how do you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements to which you again desire to slave anew? (Gal 4:9)

 

[Reformedguy]

It's clarifying the fact that it's ultimately God Who enables the new relationship of to be known by God. We must believe and turn away from our former ways but ultimately it is God Who now enables the relationship and now knows us.

But now, knowing God, but rather are known by God, how do you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements to which you again desire to slave anew? (Gal 4:9)

"Knowing God, but rather are known by God" Paul seems to be correcting himself

 

[Theo1689]

You wrote:

Ok. Let's zero in on Gal 4:9. Do you acknowledge that one is known by God only AFTER one comes out of his former ways?

I replied:

That's unBiblical.
Jer. 1:5 is but one example.
You truly are ignorant of the Bible, aren't you?

You responded:

Jer 1:5 is not using the same Koine Greek word that Gal 4:9 is using.
Gal 4:9 uses γνωσθέντες (derivative of γινώσκω) and Rom 8:29 uses προέγνω (derivative of προγινώσκω). Notice the relationship.

Well, first of all, those words aren't "derivatives", they're simply inflected forms of "γινωσκω". You don't have to keep proving you know nothing of the Greek, we already know that.

Jer 1:5 instead uses ἐπίσταμαί.

Secondly, I don't know if you're aware of this, but Jeremiah was written in HEBREW, not Greek, so you would never find "επισταμαι" in a Hebrew manuscript. The Hebrew word found in Jer. 1:5 is "yada", the standard and generic word for "know", hence the translation of "know" in most Bible translations.

Now, you want to cry, "foul!" Well, sorry, but in order to do so, you would have to PROVE that "yada" and "γινωσκω" have significant meanings and connotations. Good luck with that.

The Hebrew "yada" is translated as "γινωσκω" in:
Gen. 3:7,22, 4:1,9,17,25, 8:11, .... well, you get the idea. I'm not going to list all the occurrences in the OT.

But you raise an interesting point. You (correctly) point out that in Jer. 1:5 we find, "επισταμαι". Tell us, O Greek scholar, what "επισταμαι" means, and how it is different from "γινωσκω" (or "yada", for that matter).

The simple fact of the matter is that there are three Greek words which mean, "know" ("γινωσκω", "επισταμαι", and "οιδα"), and they're pretty much used synonymously, all three of them as translations for "yada".

So there's really not any substance to your criticism, "but it's not the same word!"

You are totally ignorant of Koine Greek, aren't you?

I'm perfectly content to allow the readers to determine which of us is "totally ignorant".

This is yet another example of why Calvinists were ostracized in Greece and their myths anathemized several centuries ago.

More worthless rhetoric.
You can only spew worthless rhetoric because you have no valid arguments to present.
Again I ask, why should I care about the opinions of sinners who lived centuries after the Bible was written, instead of believing the Bible?

 

[Theo1689]

Gal 4:9 says that the relationship goes from God not knowing an unbeliever

That's NOT what Gal. 4:9 says.

It does NOT say, "God did not know an unbeliever".
It said, "the unbeliever did not know God":

Gal. 4:8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were enslaved to those that by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you have come to know God, or rather to be known by God, how can you turn back again to the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world, whose slaves you want to be once more?

It's bad enough that you misinterpret Scripture, but you falsely accuse us of "rejecting" Scripture simply because we refuse to accept your misinterpretation, THAT is going too far.