The big hoax of the Big Bsng

[Temujin]

So how did the giraffe get his long neck?

In the same way that you were told, several times, not 24 hours ago. Up your meds.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

In the same way that you were told, several times, not 24 hours ago. Up your meds.

No one can account for it.
I guess the best you have Lamarckism.

 

[Temujin]

No one can account for it.
I guess the best you have Lamarckism.

You are lying again. Why do you keep doing this?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

You are lying again. Why do you keep doing this?

How did the giraffe get its long neck?
There was no reason for a longer neck as there was plenty of food at the ground and lower levels even up to 10 feet. A few giraffes that were a foot taller does not provide any survival advantage, as they cannot reach the upper vegetation.
And a longer neck presents all kinds of blood pressure and blood flow problems between a giraffe with head bent to the ground and a neck stretched up.
In fact, the giraffe has special valves in its neck to allow such, but how did they evolve?
That change is too complex to have evolved all at once and provides no advantage until all in place.
In fact, it would cause a real problem with survival if only partially formed.
So, God made the giraffe with the longer neck and the special valves.

 

[Temujin]

How did the giraffe get its long neck?
There was no reason for a longer neck as there was plenty of food at the ground and lower levels even up to 10 feet. A few giraffes that were a foot taller does not provide any survival advantage, as they cannot reach the upper vegetation.
And a longer neck presents all kinds of blood pressure and blood flow problems between a giraffe with head bent to the ground and a neck stretched up.
In fact, the giraffe has special valves in its neck to allow such, but how did they evolve?
That change is too complex to have evolved all at once and provides no advantage until all in place.
In fact, it would cause a real problem with survival if only partially formed.
So, God made the giraffe with the longer neck and the special valves.

Wrong. There's a niche for long necked animals. There's competition for food lower down. Giraffes are browsers not grazers, and no there isn't plenty of food. Have you never been to the savannah? Plus, evolution isn't planned. There's no goal in sight. Just the tallest of the giraffes ancestors fed best, reproduced best, out-competed their shorter relatives, and thus in time grew longer necks, and legs. The "special " valves evolved at the same time as the neck. The real give away is the vagus nerve. That demonstrates conclusively a gradual evolution not a sudden creation by an intelligent being. You picked the wrong example in the giraffe. It's a slam dunk for evolution.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Wrong. There's a niche for long necked animals. There's competition for food lower down. Giraffes are browsers not grazers, and no there isn't plenty of food. Have you never been to the savannah? Plus, evolution isn't planned. There's no goal in sight. Just the tallest of the giraffes ancestors fed best, reproduced best, out-competed their shorter relatives, and thus in time grew longer necks, and legs. The "special " valves evolved at the same time as the neck. The real give away is the vagus nerve. That demonstrates conclusively a gradual evolution not a sudden creation by an intelligent being. You picked the wrong example in the giraffe. It's a slam dunk for evolution.

Now you are even worse than Lamarckism.
First longer necks do not provide any advantage as there is an abundance of food at all levels.
So the giraffes just stretched their necks and successive generations had longer necks.
But now you have the valves are evolving to support the evolving longer necks.
The valves provide no advantage whatsoever until all is in place. Evolution cannot jump. That is nuts.
So blind mutation errors had the intelligence to plan ahead the eventual goal of providing valves,
And the vagus nerve is just another thing that evolution could never explain ever.
Finally there is nothing in all creation that cannot be explained by ALMIGHTY GOD.

 

[rossum]

First longer necks do not provide any advantage as there is an abundance of food at all levels.

False. A grassy plain with no trees shows you are wrong and that you weren't thinking very much about your answer.

Finally there is nothing in all creation that cannot be explained by ALMIGHTY GOD.

Which is precisely why creationism is not science. Since God can do anything, and can explain anything there are no possible falsifications. Any unfalsifiable ideas cannot be science.

Evolution can be falsified by a Precambrian rabbit.

 

[Temujin]

Now you are even worse than Lamarckism.
First longer necks do not provide any advantage as there is an abundance of food at all levels.

Untrue.

So the giraffes just stretched their necks and successive generations had longer necks.

No, that's Lamarkism, as you have been told. Stop lying.

But now you have the valves are evolving to support the evolving longer necks.
The valves provide no advantage whatsoever until all is in place. Evolution cannot jump. That is nuts.

Untrue. Necks lengthen gradually. As they do, structures to help blood circulation are beneficial to those that have them. That's how evolution works.

So blind mutation errors had the intelligence to plan ahead the eventual goal of providing valves,

Untrue.

And the vagus nerve is just another thing that evolution could never explain ever.

On the contrary. It explains it perfectly, as it illustrates the evolution of the giraffe back to a fish ancestor.

Finally there is nothing in all creation that cannot be explained by ALMIGHTY GOD.

Miracles are not science. He is apparently unable to engender honesty, humility or intelligence in those who claim to follow Him.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Untrue.

No, that's Lamarkism, as you have been told. Stop lying.

Untrue. Necks lengthen gradually. As they do, structures to help blood circulation are beneficial to those that have them. That's how evolution works.

Untrue.

On the contrary. It explains it perfectly, as it illustrates the evolution of the giraffe back to a fish ancestor.

Miracles are not science. He is apparently unable to engender honesty, humility or intelligence in those who claim to follow Him.

Until “science” can disprove the existence of God Almighty, which even atheists acknowledge cannot be PROVED, then “science“ cannot exclude miraculous things beucase that is what God can do.

No you have a theory and thought pattern worse than Lamarckism.

 

[Temujin]

Until “science” can disprove the existence of God Almighty, which even atheists acknowledge cannot be PROVED, then “science“ cannot exclude miraculous things beucase that is what God can do.

No you have a theory and thought pattern worse than Lamarckism.

Nonsense. If a material explanation exists, event of unproven, it will be preferable to a miraculous explanation. Miracles have no place in science by definition. They deny science and seek to usurp it as a rational explanation of the world. You cannot believe in both science and magic at the same time. One is reality, one is fantasy.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Nonsense. If a material explanation exists, event of unproven, it will be preferable to a miraculous explanation. Miracles have no place in science by definition. They deny science and seek to usurp it as a rational explanation of the world. You cannot believe in both science and magic at the same time. One is reality, one is fantasy.

So explain Venus rotating backwards, Uranus on its side, the giraffes long neck and chimps and people with a different chromosome count.
There are very many more.

 

[Temujin]

So explain Venus rotating backwards, Uranus on its side, the giraffes long neck and chimps and people with a different chromosome count.
There are very many more.

As you very well know, you have had answers to all these questions. Answers that you cannot cope with, cannot refute, cannot even acknowledge. You are reduced to asking the same questions time and again in the folorn hope that you will get an answer you will be able to process. What is wrong is not the answers that you have been given, but your brittle, rigid and fundamentally flawed view of the world, warped by creationist lies. What you demonstrate here is not well-founded opposition to evolution, but a wasted life.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

As you very well know, you have had answers to all these questions. Answers that you cannot cope with, cannot refute, cannot even acknowledge. You are reduced to asking the same questions time and again in the folorn hope that you will get an answer you will be able to process. What is wrong is not the answers that you have been given, but your brittle, rigid and fundamentally flawed view of the world, warped by creationist lies. What you demonstrate here is not well-founded opposition to evolution, but a wasted life.

Please post any.
I promise I will hold back my laughter.

 

[Temujin]

Please post any.
I promise I will hold back my laughter.

Already done. It's us that is laughing. You are just failing. All you are holding back is an honest acceptance that you have been answered, assuming that you have any honesty to hold back.

 

[SavedByTheLord]

Already done. It's us that is laughing. You are just failing. All you are holding back is an honest acceptance that you have been answered, assuming that you have any honesty to hold back.

Chimps have 48 chromosomes and mankind 46.

Supposedly they are descended from a common ancestor.

But how could this have happened through evolution given sexual reproduction?

Just show how this plays out for 20 generations of offspring.
Start with 48 chromosomes.
A primate with 48 by some weird event has an offspring with 46 .
The offspring then mates with another primate of the same species which of course has all 48.
Now each donates 1/2 and then what?
How many chromosomes from each parent does the first offspring have?
24 from each or 24 from one and 23 from the other?
How could that offspring even survive?
How did it ever have an offspring?
Who did the first offspring mate with if it is not another primate with 48 chromosomes?
How could 2 chromosomes fuse if their ends are protected?
Keep going until 20 generations.

And do not forget the over 100 million differences in the DNA between chimps and people.

And of course, there can be no common descent if the chromosome counts are different for any proposed species pairs.
I have proved that macro evolution is a lie.

And I have also proved abiogenies is impossible without God and the Big Bang too.

So what was the chromosome makeup of the first primate with the fused chromosome, which itself need to be explained?
And its mate and its their offspring?
And what was the first offsprings mate's chromosome makeup?
Be very specific in all the details.

 

[Temujin]

Chimps have 48 chromosomes and mankind 46.

Supposedly they are descended from a common ancestor.

But how could this have happened through evolution given sexual reproduction?

Just show how this plays out for 20 generations of offspring.
Start with 48 chromosomes.
A primate with 48 by some weird event has an offspring with 46 .
The offspring then mates with another primate of the same species which of course has all 48.
Now each donates 1/2 and then what?
How many chromosomes from each parent does the first offspring have?
24 from each or 24 from one and 23 from the other?
How could that offspring even survive?
How did it ever have an offspring?
Who did the first offspring mate with if it is not another primate with 48 chromosomes?
How could 2 chromosomes fuse if their ends are protected?
Keep going until 20 generations.

You have been told the answer to this at least twice.

And do not forget the over 100 million differences in the DNA between chimps and people.

Or the over 1 million differences between any two humans.

And of course, there can be no common descent if the chromosome counts are different for any proposed species pairs.
I have proved that macro evolution is a lie.

Wrong. You have been shown this as well. Stop lying about facts. You just show yourself up.

And I have also proved abiogenies is impossible without God and the Big Bang too.

No, you have done no such thing. You have told lies about abiogenesis and the Big Bang. You have ignored facts given to you about these things, but you keep lying. Why is that?

So what was the chromosome makeup of the first primate with the fused chromosome, which itself need to be explained?

Why does this need to be explained AGAIN? You haven't acknowledged the other times this has already been done.

And its mate and its their offspring?
And what was the first offsprings mate's chromosome makeup?
Be very specific in all the details.

Why should someone who claims without evidence that reality is the result of magic, be entitled to demand specifics about a process they don't understand, acknowledge or tell the truth about?

 

[SavedByTheLord]

You have been told the answer to this at least twice.

Or the over 1 million differences between any two humans.

Wrong. You have been shown this as well. Stop lying about facts. You just show yourself up.

No, you have done no such thing. You have told lies about abiogenesis and the Big Bang. You have ignored facts given to you about these things, but you keep lying. Why is that?

Why does this need to be explained AGAIN? You haven't acknowledged the other times this has already been done.

Why should someone who claims without evidence that reality is the result of magic, be entitled to demand specifics about a process they don't understand, acknowledge or tell the truth about?

So you skipped all generations and used false analogy.

Chimps have 48 chromosomes and mankind 46.

Supposedly they are descended from a common ancestor.

But how could this have happened through evolution given sexual reproduction?

Just show how this plays out for 20 generations of offspring.
Start with 48 chromosomes.
A primate with 48 by some weird event has an offspring with 46 .
The offspring then mates with another primate of the same species which of course has all 48.
Now each donates 1/2 and then what?
How many chromosomes from each parent does the first offspring have?
24 from each or 24 from one and 23 from the other?
How could that offspring even survive?
How did it ever have an offspring?
Who did the first offspring mate with if it is not another primate with 48 chromosomes?
How could 2 chromosomes fuse if their ends are protected?
Keep going until 20 generations.

And do not forget the over 100 million differences in the DNA between chimps and people.

And of course, there can be no common descent if the chromosome counts are different for any proposed species pairs.
I have proved that macro evolution is a lie.

And I have also proved abiogenies is impossible without God and the Big Bang too.

So what was the chromosome makeup of the first primate with the fused chromosome, which itself need to be explained?
And its mate and its their offspring?
And what was the first offsprings mate's chromosome makeup?
Be very, very specific in all the details.
I will have more unexplainables by evolution and lots and lots of questions.