Leatherneck0311
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If I have to disbelieve what Jesus and Paul taught about believing to get where you are no thanks.
The gospel in Genesis.
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Carbon
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God don’t fail. If there is a person given to His son in the COR, this personal will be saved.
It’s not up to man as it is in your dreams.
Joe
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Yes, "But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful." (Luk 6:35-36)
God bless
Carbon
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Leatherneck0311
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So again you give no credit or credence to what Jesus and Paul taught about believing, and here I thought we were supposed to believe and follow Jesus not folks that contradict what He taught.
Joe
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Context brother. You cannot read your doctrine into everything and be true to what Jesus was telling the people. He answered their question that God's work for them was to believe in Him.
Carbon
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I believe everything Jesus said. Your obsession with Calvinism is your issue not mine.
Leatherneck0311
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When Calvinist say what Jesus and Paul taught is not true I will stay with what Jesus and Paul taught and know Calvinist are wrong.
Theo1689
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Scripture says that GOD's work is that man believes.
You TWIST that to mean it is that "man believes".
How do you justify twisting of Scripture?
That would depend on the CONTEXT.
If you would like to provide a SPECIFIC context (ie. verse, chapter and verse), I would be more than happy to explain the meaning to you.
Leatherneck0311
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There is no difference in these two statements. No twisting involved. Just misunderstanding on your part.
I have references for the word might and I provided a specific verse. I believe I can understand the English word "might" without needing your explanation.
Manfred
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Well you and the person who loved your response will do anything to ignore/change or pretend that this scripture does not exist or somehow speaks about the law...
So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
Romans 9:16 ESV
You believe God's mercy and compassion is dependent on human will and exertion as you confirmed in your response.
Manfred
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So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.
Romans 9:16 ESV
Manfred
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And without the Spirit revealing the spiritual truths it contains it can be interpreted any way Tom wants to interpret it. Tom like the Mormons and others believe they don't need God to lead them on a daily basis and to give them revelation as they read the inspired scriptures.
Your first problem is the spirit does not lead unbelievers
Hello Doubt it?
Find a verse which states unbelievers are led by the spirit
You can't do it
Your second problem is the spirit does not contradict what he wrote
2 Timothy 3:16–17 (KJV 1900)
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Your third problem is all Christians have the spirit but for some reason the spirit has not equipped you to answer rebuttal so you
are stuck with attempting false guilt by association tactics
That verse does not support you
It is not talking about unconditional election to salvation but the fact that God sets the grounds upon which he shows mercy
and this has not changed
Romans 3:21–26 (KJV 1900)
21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; 22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: 23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; 26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
1 Corinthians 1:21 (KJV 1900)
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
or just try reading rom 9-11 in context
Romans 9:30–32 (KJV 1900)
30 What shall we say then? That the Gentiles, which followed not after righteousness, have attained to righteousness, even the righteousness which is of faith. 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Romans 11:19–23 (KJV 1900)
19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. 20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: 21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. 22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. 23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
Those who came by way of faith found mercy the other did not
We already saw it does not support your beliefs
The gospel in Genesis.
I believe you feel you refuted it. But you didn’t nor can you with scripture. Keep trying. I know I did for several years myself.? I tried If I have to disbelieve what Jesus and Paul taught about believing to get where you are no thanks.
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