When was Jesus Christ crucified? ~2000 years ago, or from the foundation of the world?This actually happened just like Christ actually came down from heaven.
As I said, you make no sense.
When was Jesus Christ crucified? ~2000 years ago, or from the foundation of the world?This actually happened just like Christ actually came down from heaven.
As I said, you make no sense.
Amazing how pitiful your existence must be, to keep track of mine.He did provide proof. Only an idiot without access to the sources specifically cited would claim otherwise.
Because you’re too lazy to track down the sources he cited to verify his claims for yourself.
When a lawyer cites case law to establish precedent, does opposing council ask for “a snapshot” from the book? or is he or she expected to have actually done their own homework during preparation for their case?
And if you weren’t so lazy, you could track down the sources he cited and settle the matter without using “hedging” as a disguise for an intelligent argument.
Prove any of that. Oh I forgot, you’d have to actually get off your rear end and track down his sources.
ROFLOL!!!
Nope, I just try to point out the pretenders when I see them.
I am ordering the translation. If it is YHWH, you have found YHWH in plural form, and it can only apply to the Trinity. The most I ever found was two YHWH in one verses, you might have three. Thanks to inbound 68 for insisting I continue with the discussion.I gave you one. This one. I predict you will find a reason to discount it.
But I have refuted your claim.
The Scriptures Bible
“And said, YHWH, if now I have found favor (grace in Hebrew) in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant:” (Genesis 18:3)
Yes. Jesus Christ did not preexist his conception except in God's plan.John 3:13 No one has ascended into heaven except he who descended from heaven, the Son of Man.
This happened in a sense????
See above.John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but to do the will of Him who sent Me.
This happened in a sense????
Yes, in the same way that Christ was crucified from the foundation of the world.John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify Me in Your presence with the glory I had with You before the world existed.
In a sense Jesus existed prior to the world existing.
All previously discussed. You have bought into Trinitarianism and it skews your understanding.To be honest the only thing that doesn't make "sense" is you and the way you inserted your senseless concept of Jesus not existing prior to His incarnation when the Word who was Goad...and by the way with God ....became flesh.
He didn't.BTW, how did Jesus do all this creating when He had no pre-incarnate existence?
It's not as simple as you seem to understand it.When was Jesus Christ crucified? ~2000 years ago, or from the foundation of the world?
I am ordering the translation. If it is YHWH, you have found YHWH in plural form, and it can only apply to the Trinity. The most I ever found was two YHWH in one verses, you might have three. Thanks to inbound 68 for insisting I continue with the discussion.
“Which” is not referring to Jesus but the ‘message’ concerning Jesus, events to which John is testifying. John is writing about things “concerning” Jesus rather than Jesus personally.
CCs pet verses have been addressed many, many times. Doing so again would be pointless.The above is clear example of how one can reject Scripture while saving face. Never answer questions directly. Pretend previous points were clearly established without further comment.
There was no excuse.Think throwing out an excuse helps...
Both were in God's plan.Hello, You nether explained how Jesus was crucified from the foundation of the world. nor how Jesus had glory with the Father before the world was.
I absolutely do believe what scripture says.You just don't believe what Scripture says.
That's why you are acting like this.
You're a staunch Trinitarian too. Your understanding is as skewed as CCs.A huge Neon Sign above shroom's head saying I REJECT WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS!!!
God Bless
When did it happen?It's not as simple as you seem to understand it.
"The Lamb hath been slain from the foundation of the world," because from "the foundation of the world" his death has been efficacious for the salvation of men;
I am familiar with that understanding. I do not agree with it.Other translation put it this way..or similiar...and all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.
The Greek may also be rendered....Written in the slain lamb's book of life from the foundation of the world.
I asked you a simple question: When was Jesus Christ crucified?From what I read you don't have enough information to make your comparison.
No he didn't. God did. See Gen 1:1.Keep in mind Jesus created the universe...
The "incarnation" is a fabrication of Trinitarians. Jesus Christ was conceived. That was the beginning of his existence.which would have had to proceed His physical incarnation which happend when He came down from heaven.
Only ONE Person came down from heaven: Jesus Christ.Those who are born from above also came down from heaven. So what's your point?
Beginning of His existence as a MAN.When did it happen?
I am familiar with that understanding. I do not agree with it.
I asked you a simple question: When was Jesus Christ crucified?
No he didn't. God did. See Gen 1:1.
The "incarnation" is a fabrication of Trinitarians. Jesus Christ was conceived. That was the beginning of his existence.
Christ, The Son of God is omnipresent at all times.Just to clarify your TRINITARIAN doctrine…
Was Christ still in heaven after he came down from heaven?
Depends on the passage in question.Just to clarify your TRINITARIAN doctrine…
When God Himself is speaking, does that mean God the Father is speaking?
Jesus was crucified at the beginning of his existence as a man?Beginning of His existence as a MAN.
Christ's crucifixion was ordained from the foundation of the world, NOT His existence.Yes. Jesus Christ did not preexist his conception except in God's plan.
See above.
Yes, in the same way that Christ was crucified from the foundation of the world.
All previously discussed. You have bought into Trinitarianism and it skews your understanding.
He didn't.
Strawman. The crucifixion of Christ The Son of God was ordained from the foundation of the world.Jesus was crucified at the beginning of his existence as a man?
You'd better think about that one, Johnny.
In fact, you should think about what it is you believe. You have put your foot in your mouth several times the last few weeks, saying one thing then a few posts later contradicting yourself.
CCs pet verses have been addressed many, many times. Doing so again would be pointless.The above is clear example of how one can reject Scripture while saving face. Never answer questions directly. Pretend previous points were clearly established without further comment.
There was no excuse.Think throwing out an excuse helps...
Both were in God's plan.Hello, You nether explained how Jesus was crucified from the foundation of the world. nor how Jesus had glory with the Father before the world was.
I absolutely do believe what scripture says.You just don't believe what Scripture says.
That's why you are acting like this.You're a staunch Trinitarian too. Your understanding is as skewed as CCs.A huge Neon Sign above shroom's head saying I REJECT WHAT SCRIPTURE SAYS!!!
Physically or when was it deemed to happen?When did it happen?
You don't have to agree with in...nor are you allowed to agree with it.I am familiar with that understanding. I do not agree with it.
About 2,000 years ago.I asked you a simple question: When was Jesus Christ crucified?
No he didn't. God did. See Gen 1:1.
Jesus said, “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began” (John 17:5).The "incarnation" is a fabrication of Trinitarians. Jesus Christ was conceived. That was the beginning of his existence.
Yea we should take your word for it."Which" is referring to the Word of Life.
You certainly are adept at hanging yourself.
YHWH does not share his glory. If it is YHWH it cannot be angelsHow does Abraham addressing the three angels as YHWH (because they are His angels) make Him plural?