The Trinity explained

Elijah the Tishbite

Elijah the Tishbite

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E. Calvin Beisner

God in Three Persons

The Christian Church throughout history has found in order to remain faithful to the teachings of the New Testament regarding the person and work of Christ, it had to affirm at least the following doctrines:

The doctrine of the Trinity----that in the nature of the One True God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, each fully God, Coequal and Coeternal

When we have said these three things, then—that there is but one God, that the Father and the Son and the Spirit is each a distinct person—we have enunciated the doctrine of the Trinity in its completeness.

We may condense this into a somewhat shorter statement, one which is more precise: In the nature of the God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit ( or substance ) of the one true God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit p 24

“The Nicene Creed, then, with centuries of theological discussion and controversy behind it, still teaches of the Trinity as the New Testament does: that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, while distinct from each other personally, are the same God” p 153

The D&C 20:17-28 is word for word the Nicene Creed​

Trinity

first used by Theophilus (A.D. 168 A.D. - 183 A.D.), or from the Lat. trinitas, first used by Tertullian (A.D. 220 A.D.), to express this doctrine. The propositions involved in the doctrine are these: 1. That God is one, and that there is but one God (Deut 6:4; 1 Kings 8:60; Isa 44:6; Mark 12:29,32; John 10:30). 2. That the Father is a distinct divine Person (hypostasis, subsistentia, persona, suppositum intellectuale), distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. 3. That Jesus Christ was truly God, and yet was a Person distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. 4. That the Holy Spirit is also a distinct divine Person.

(from Easton's Bible Dictionary, PC Study Bible formatted electronic database Copyright © 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

Homoousios -God- Godhead- Substance- Essence- Being –Nature [ all Synonyms ]


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Notice how Mormon leaders lie about Our beliefs ​

In Marvelous Work and A Wonder, Le Grand Richards Page 18 under the heading John’s Testimony of the Personality of God Says “This accords also with the report of John’s baptism of Jesus: 16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Here each of the three members of the Godhead are distinctly and separately mentioned; (1) Jesus coming up out of the water; (2) the Holy Ghost descending like a dove; (3) the voice of the Father from heaven expressing his love and approval of his beloved Son. How could one possibly believe these three to be one person without body or form?


President Gordon B. Hinckley explained why he also could not believe in the Trinity: The world wrestles with the question of who God is, and in what form He is found. Some say that the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost are one. I wonder how they ever arrive at that. How could Jesus have prayed to Himself when he uttered the Lord’s Prayer? How could He have net with Himself when He was on the Mount of Transfiguration? No. He is a separate being. God, our Father, is one. Jesus Christ is two. The Holy Ghost is three. And these three are united in purpose and in working together to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man.’ ONE GOD The above comments are clearly antithetical



James Talmage states: “This [the Trinity] cannot rationally be construed to mean that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are one in substance and person” (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.40)



1. Hugh B. Brown, The Abundant Life, p.313 Surely this was not ventriloquism where Christ was speaking to and of himself. It was the Father introducing His Son. In this case, the members of the Holy Trinity manifested themselves, each in a different way, and each was distinct from the others. A similar event occurred on the Mount of Transfiguration when members of the Godhead were distinguished in the presence of Moses and Elias, and Peter, James, and John.

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Elijah the Tishbite said:
Notice how Mormon leaders lie about Our beliefs ​

In Marvelous Work and A Wonder, Le Grand Richards Page 18 under the heading John’s Testimony of the Personality of God Says “This accords also with the report of John’s baptism of Jesus: 16 When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” Here each of the three members of the Godhead are distinctly and separately mentioned; (1) Jesus coming up out of the water; (2) the Holy Ghost descending like a dove; (3) the voice of the Father from heaven expressing his love and approval of his beloved Son. How could one possibly believe these three to be one person without body or form?
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Yeah, Richards got a LOT of things wrong when trying to attack our beilefs.

Of course, we do NOT believe the Trinity is "one person".

Elijah the Tishbite said:
President Gordon B. Hinckley explained why he also could not believe in the Trinity: The world wrestles with the question of who God is, and in what form He is found. Some say that the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost are one. I wonder how they ever arrive at that. How could Jesus have prayed to Himself
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And of course, Hinckley was an idot as well.
We don't believe "Jesus prayed to himself".

Elijah the Tishbite said:
James Talmage states: “This [the Trinity] cannot rationally be construed to mean that the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost are one in substance and person” (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.40)
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Again, we don't believe the three are "one person".
And you will NEVER find any Trinitarian document that asserts such nonsense.

This is why it is so vitally important that when you criticize someone else's beliefs, you do so accurately, and the best way to do that is to quote their own documents, rather than relying on your own flawed understanding.

Mormons demand we do it for them, but they feel they never have to do it for us.

Elijah the Tishbite said:
1. Hugh B. Brown, The Abundant Life, p.313 Surely this was not ventriloquism where Christ was speaking to and of himself.
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Again, we don't believe "Christ was speaking of Himself".
We believe He was speaking of the Father.
 
Theo1689 said:
Yeah, Richards got a LOT of things wrong when trying to attack our beilefs.

Of course, we do NOT believe the Trinity is "one person".



And of course, Hinckley was an idot as well.
We don't believe "Jesus prayed to himself".



Again, we don't believe the three are "one person".
And you will NEVER find any Trinitarian document that asserts such nonsense.

This is why it is so vitally important that when you criticize someone else's beliefs, you do so accurately, and the best way to do that is to quote their own documents, rather than relying on your own flawed understanding.

Mormons demand we do it for them, but they feel they never have to do it for us.



Again, we don't believe "Christ was speaking of Himself".
We believe He was speaking of the Father.
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That is how Mormons get misinformation about the Trinity, listening to their blind leaders
 
Elijah the Tishbite said:
E. Calvin Beisner--

The Trinity explained​


God in Three Persons

The Christian Church throughout history has found in order to remain faithful to the teachings of the New Testament regarding the person and work of Christ, it had to affirm at least the following doctrines:

The doctrine of the Trinity----that in the nature of the One True God, there are three distinct persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, each fully God, Coequal and Coeternal
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2. The Christian Bible​

2.1 The Old Testament​

No trinitarian doctrine is explicitly taught in the Old Testament.

2.2 The New Testament​

The New Testament contains no explicit trinitarian doctrine.
 
Elijah the Tishbite said:
https://youtu.be/OE1P7ypL4Z0? This link in OP starts with the Old Testament :):):):):)

https://youtu.be/OE1P7ypL4Z0?
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How does any of that somehow address the points here?

Trinity > History of Trinitarian Doctrines (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy)

dberrie2020 said:

2. The Christian Bible​

2.1 The Old Testament---No trinitarian doctrine is explicitly taught in the Old Testament.​

2.2 The New Testament--The New Testament contains no explicit trinitarian doctrine.
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Elijah the Tishbite said:
Didn't you say the Trinity doctrine wasn't explained in the Old Testament?

when there are many Duet 6:4 Isa 48:16 ​
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  • the Old Testament as well. Let’s explore a few relevant passages:
    1. Genesis 1:26:
      • In this verse, God says, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness.” The use of the plural pronouns “us” and “our” suggests a divine conversation within the Godhead.
    2. Isaiah 48:16:
      • This verse provides a clearer hint at the Trinity. God the Son speaks, identifying both the Father (referred to as “Lord God”) and “his Spirit” as having sent Him. The Son is unmistakably identified as God2.
    3. Genesis 19:24:
    While these passages offer glimpses, it’s essential to recognize that the full revelation of the Trinity unfolds progressively throughout Scripture. The New Testament provides more explicit teachings about the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, culminating in the person and work of Jesus Christ. Ultimately, the mystery of the Trinity transcends human comprehension and remains central to Christian faith and theology.
 
Elijah the Tishbite said:
  • Didn't you say the Trinity doctrine wasn't explained in the Old Testament?
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The LDS believe in the Trinity--just not the Trinitarian theology.

IOW--there is nothing found in the Biblical text which testifies the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as the SAME God--and all the associated terms used to describe and explain the Trinity--which accompany that theology.

As a matter of fact--quite to the contrary:

1 Corinthians 8:6--King James Version
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
 
dberrie2020 said:
The LDS believe in the Trinity--just not the Trinitarian theology.

IOW--there is nothing found in the Biblical text which testifies the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as the SAME God--and all the associated terms used to describe and explain the Trinity--which accompany that theology.

As a matter of fact--quite to the contrary:

1 Corinthians 8:6--King James Version
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
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How about the Book of Mormon? ​

2 Nephi 31:

21 And now, behold, my beloved brethren, this is the way; and there is none other way nor name given under heaven whereby man can be saved in the kingdom of God. And now, behold, this is the doctrine of Christ, and the only and true doctrine of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost, which is one God, without end. Amen.


Alma 11:

44 Now, this restoration shall come to all, both old and young, both bond and free, both male and female, both the wicked and the righteous; and even there shall not so much as a hair of their heads be lost; but everything shall be restored to its perfect frame, as it is now, or in the body, and shall be brought and be arraigned before the bar of Christ the Son, and God the Father, and the Holy Spirit, which is one Eternal God, to be judged according to their works, whether they be good or whether they be evil.

Mormon 7:

7 And he hath brought to pass the redemption of the world, whereby he that is found guiltless before him at the judgment day hath it given unto him to dwell in the presence of God in his kingdom, to sing ceaseless praises with the choirs above, unto the Father, and unto the Son, and unto the Holy Ghost, which are one God, in a state of happiness which hath no end.



The Testimony of Three Witnesses

And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen.

Oliver Cowdery

David Whitmer

Martin Harris



Doctrine and Covenants 20 :

28 Which Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are one God, infinite and eternal, without end. Amen.
 
The Bible breaks down the Trinity in Matthew. It is defined as God existing in three separate entities. In fact, many believe that Matthew 28:19 proves the existence of the Holy Trinity. As Jesus said in the verse above, “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.” Part of the LINK above
 
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