DoctrinesofGraceBapt
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That may be how you take it, but a go betweener isn't necessarily a mediator. At best, you can call the Holy spirit a messenger. A mediator does more them simply pass on messages. A mediator represents the other party. The HS can't be our mediator because he is not man. Christ can be our mediator because he is both God and man.
You are asking questions about topics that are not under discussion in this passage. Stop abusing Scripture
And? There is only one Spirit of God ontologically. How does that mean the person referenced by the title "the Holy Spirit" is the person referenced by the title "the Son"? There is no reason whatsoever to say the Spirit is the Holy Spirit in every context.
John 14:18-20 literally cannot teach Jesus is this Spirit because of how John 14:16-17 uses personal pronouns. This is true for two reasons: 1) John 14:16-17 is just that clear, and 2) John 14:18-20 doesn't even attempt to equate the two.
I'm all for reading more, but nothing here says Jesus is the Spirit of Truth. While v16-17 clearly distinguish between Jesus and this other Comforter.
In fact, John 14 is right before Jesus' crucification. Jesus is saying he will come to them for a little while and then leave again. Remember, Jesus dies, Jesus rises again and stays with them for some 40 days before the rising up into heaven, only to pour the Holy Spirit on them at Pentecost.
Convenient. Not meaningful in any sense of the word, but convenient.
How does Jesus talk about himself in the third person? Typically he just talking about a supposed other person. For example, "And Jesus said to him, “Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has nowhere to lay his head.” Matthew 8:20. How is this similar to "But the Comforter, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." John 14:26? Notice, when Jesus uses the third person in Scripture, there is no reference to himself at all outside of the 3rd person use itself. In John 14, Jesus refers to himself as I and my and then refers to the other Comforter. Ergo, Jesus isn't speaking in the 3rd person in John 14:16-17, 26. He is speaking about someone else.
I forgot to ask, how do you deal with passages like 2 Cor. 13:14- "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all."? Why separate the three, when there are only two?
You do realize that comfort in Isaiah 51:12 and Hosea 2:14 and comforter in John 14 have two radically different roots. The parallels in the passages are a function of the translating, and they don't actually reflect a connection between the passages. Isaiah 40:1 at least has some connection. But there is a difference between one who gives comfort and a comforter by trade. Comforter in John 14:16, 26 is a job title. Isaiah 40 just says that the Father gives comfort, not that the Father has the job title of comforter.
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