who is this man?

Mimra is not a real Hebrew word, maybe you mean מאמר (ῥῆμα) "that which is said", this is not a proper name.

Daniel 9:26
θάμβημα שממ alarm, terror
σχίσμα שטף schism
πόλεμος מלחמה war

What war was occurring during the time of Jesus? Was Darius and Cyrus alive in the 1st century? Obviously, the context is in the books of the Ezra & Nehemiah. Clearly, something happened during those times.

Nehemiah 7:4
Now the city was large and great: but the people were few (ὁ λαὸς ὀλίγος) therein, and the houses were not builded.

Ezra 10:13
But the people are many (ὁ λαὸς πολύς)

Christians do not read Ezra or Nehemiah and these books are not quoted in the New Testament because Ezra-Nehemiah fulfils Jeremiah, Daniel and Isaiah.
The word Mimra is the word that is used in the Midrash.

Christians do read Ezra and Nehemiah. Isaiah and Jeremiah prophesied Israel's destruction and captivity and the Messiah's coming. Daniel 9:26 shows the Messiah's coming after the temple was rebuilt. The temple's rebuilding is recorded in Ezra and Nehemiah.
 
Satan is a fallen angel and he does possess supernatural powers as do all angels. They can also appear as animals and that is why he appears as a serpent in Genesis in the Torah. Satan also appears in Job and is referred to in Isaiah 14:12 - How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how you are cut down to the ground, who did weaken the nations!

Lucifer is a Latin word, from a translation of φωσφόρος. But in Isaiah 14:12, the word is הילל, that is ἥλιος (Sun). שחר is ἠώς "dawn, east", in other Greek dialects, Dor. ἀώς , ἀβώρ Aeol. αὔως' cf. Latin aurōra; dawn, the East, the Orient.

The initial verb in Isaiah 14:12 is נפלת and this would be ἔσφηλας , conjugated from σφάλλω 'overthrow, trip up, esp. of persons falling from high fortunes.

Job 2:2
And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.

ויאמר יהוה אל־השטן אי מזה תבא ויען השטן את־יהוה ויאמר משט בארץ ומהתהלך בה

It looks to me, this verse tries to give meaning to the word שטן "Satan", through similar looking word משט or the verb שוט. Which
is φοιτάω to go to and fro, up and down, to stalk or roam about.

These things are not seen reading a boring English translation; need to learn more Phoenician language.
 
Lucifer is a Latin word, from a translation of φωσφόρος. But in Isaiah 14:12, the word is הילל, that is ἥλιος (Sun). שחר is ἠώς "dawn, east", in other Greek dialects, Dor. ἀώς , ἀβώρ Aeol. αὔως' cf. Latin aurōra; dawn, the East, the Orient.

The initial verb in Isaiah 14:12 is נפלת and this would be ἔσφηλας , conjugated from σφάλλω 'overthrow, trip up, esp. of persons falling from high fortunes.



It looks to me, this verse tries to give meaning to the word שטן "Satan", through similar looking word משט or the verb שוט. Which
is φοιτάω to go to and fro, up and down, to stalk or roam about.

These things are not seen reading a boring English translation; need to learn more Phoenician language.
Doesn't change the meaning. Lucifer is still the devil and Satan. If you don't repent and receive Jesus, Satan will be your new landlord when you die and he is not a kind being.
 
Doesn't change the meaning. Lucifer is still the devil and Satan. If you don't repent and receive Jesus, Satan will be your new landlord when you die and he is not a kind being.

I am not sure what you are taught in low IQ USA schools, it is like saying, 1 + 1 = 3.

lūcifer is a LATIN word, remember when Catholics murdered people for reading the bible in a language other then Latin, even though none of the books were originally in Latin. https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=lucifer&la=la#lexicon

Devil ?

What you really mean is διάβολος , a compound adjective, of δια "across" βάλλω "throw". So, a Devil could be basketball player, or a mythical man who throws balls.

Psalm 31:13
I have heard the slander (שמעתי דבת)
= ἀκήκοα διαβολήν "I have heard slander"

Easy Phoenician language.
 
I am not sure what you are taught in low IQ USA schools, it is like saying, 1 + 1 = 3.

lūcifer is a LATIN word, remember when Catholics murdered people for reading the bible in a language other then Latin, even though none of the books were originally in Latin. https://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/morph?l=lucifer&la=la#lexicon

Devil ?

What you really mean is διάβολος , a compound adjective, of δια "across" βάλλω "throw". So, a Devil could be basketball player, or a mythical man who throws balls.


= ἀκήκοα διαβολήν "I have heard slander"

Easy Phoenician language.
Lucifer is the Latin word for the devil. The devil is another word for Satan and Satan is the demonic being that will be tormenting you in hell if you don't repent and receive Jesus.
 
Lucifer is the Latin word for the devil. The devil is another word for Satan and Satan is the demonic being that will be tormenting you in hell if you don't repent and receive Jesus.

Hell is the Norse underworld, your brain is mixing things up.


In the Old Testament, the dead go down to the grave.
Job 7:9
He that goes down to the grave shall come up no more.
יורד שאול לא יעלה / κατέλθῃ ἅιδαν οὐ μὴ ἀνέλθῃ
Homer's Odyssey 10.546
His soul went down to the grave
ψυχὴ ἅϊδόσδε κατῆλθεν
Psalm 30:3
Thou hast brought up my soul from the grave
העלית מן־שאול נפשי / ἀνελήλυθας ἀπ ἅιδου ψυχήν μου
 
Hell is the Norse underworld, your brain is mixing things up.


In the Old Testament, the dead go down to the grave.
Souls go to hell which is a place of torment. The Hebrews believed that hell was in two compartments, hell and Paradise. Jesus confirms that in His parable of Lazarus and the rich man. You might want to go on Youtube and listen to the testimonies of people who have gone there and come back to tell how horrible it is.
 
Souls go to hell which is a place of torment. The Hebrews believed that hell was in two compartments, hell and Paradise. Jesus confirms that in His parable of Lazarus and the rich man. You might want to go on Youtube and listen to the testimonies of people who have gone there and come back to tell how horrible it is.

Nearly all the people having these testimonies are Americans, therefore, unable to take those people seriously, especially with all the school shootings happening in the USA, very distracting to my ears.
 
Did you forget to read?

Psalm 30:3 Thou hast brought up my soul from the grave

Do american school teach comprehension?
That's just another way of saying he was going to be resurrected from the dead. After the death of the body souls went to hell or paradise. Jesus released all the souls from Paradise and today souls that are not in hell are trapped in this dimension, which is referred to as the sea in Revelation 20:13.
 
Nearly all the people having these testimonies are Americans, therefore, unable to take those people seriously, especially with all the school shootings happening in the USA, very distracting to my ears.
Hell is a realty. You need to make sure you accept God's plan of redemption so you don't go there.
 
the Peshitta. is a translation from translations like the Septuagint and the Vulgate, which is a translation of the Hebrew book dating back to the second or third century.

jesus spoke in Aramaic

speak with evidence, not just personal interpretations

we are at a point where Biblical scholars say the Bible is changed.

The fact is there are 40,000 Christian sects. We can fill a football stadium with Christians, every one of them can have different beliefs. Every one of them calling themselves Christian. Every one of them having Different beliefs then you.
Can you not wrap your head around how insane this is?

How anyone can argue the Bible is not changed today is amazing honestly. Seriously, they literally continue to change it even today!

Consider the prophets, some who actually spoke to God, committing incest and worshiping idols.


“’How can you say, “We are wise, for we have the law of the LORD,” when actually the lying pen of the scribes has handled it falsely? (Jeremiah 8:8)



20,000 changes!!
Why do you chose to live in denial? What does the Bible say about bearing false witness?
we are at a point where Biblical scholars say the Bible is changed.




Indeed the Bible remains but how much of it is original? I can personally guarantee God did not give the Jews permission to lend on interest.

While whats in it that is original, how much of that is ignored? Such as 32 separate verses forbidding the consumption of pork?


How about all those verses where Jesus says he can do nothing but still you ascribe divinity to him?
90 Biblical verses refute your core beliefs Red. God is not the author of confusion.


Im not surprised . Go back to 300 AD and the council of Nicea declared the prophet Jesus to be god incarnate. Shouldering right up with other pagan, 3 in 1 faiths in the vicinity.

This was the day when the devil took the reigns.. So why would i be surprised that 1700 years later there are more then 2000 Bibles?

Wanna hear something interesting ? Did you know Jews are allowed to pray in a masjid... But are forbidden to pray in a church?

. Jews consider you pagan and thier prayers to the God of Abraham would not be accepted if offered in a church.

Facinating. Isnt it? Kinda like you with your Christmas tree while the Bible calls it futile.

People hear what they want to.

The Bible has been changed and changed and mistranslation are 2 completely different things. Don't the 10 commandments forbid lying? Why is it that so many Christians try to deceive? Honestly it is changed even today as we live and breathe.

The truth is you worship a man who is constantly referred to as prophet in your book. A man who literally cried to God to save him in your book. A man who literally worshiped God in your book.




None of the original manuscripts have survived from the early Christian period. The most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century, three hundred years after Jesus’ ministry. But the originals? Lost. And the copies of the originals? Also lost. Our most ancient manuscripts, in other words, are copies of the copies of the copies of nobody-knows-just-how-many copies of the originals.


Even if the Bible could be shown to be a word for word representation of scrolls existing from OT and NT ages, there would still be a considerable drift in meaning because each age, each culture has its own nuance of understanding, its own idiosyncratic meaning of words that simply do not translate into other languages, there are phrases that link to cultural heritage, connections to local history embedded in the meaning, references to poets and writers of the age, etc. These do not pass well from Aramaic, to old Greek, from old Greek to Latin and from Latin to English, or any other language for that matter.


The English Bible is a best guess at what was intended from the original teachings.


The OT is a compilation of a number of religions, heavily borrowed from Egyptian and Sumerian epic tales and beliefs. It's a collection of fragments of old religions.


The 4 Gospels of the NT as and example, have many contradictions. These contradictions do not seriously effect these works which are liturgies. They are sets of sermons from slightly different ages and places and we can already see the drift in their forms.

Comparisons between The Majority (KJV) and Minority (NIV) Texts

http://ecclesia.org/truth/m-m.html


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Christians contradict the words of Christ

Christ uses the Spirit of God to expel demons

28 But if it is by the Spirit of God(the father) that I drive out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.(Matthew 12:28).

22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

the Christians who say that we cast out demons in the name of God(jesus)


Christ rejects Christians on the Day of Resurrection...!


The impression that Christians have that "not all angels are good" is based on a misunderstanding they have about the creation itself.

God created angels and Jinn before human beings. Angels are incapable of choosing to be disobedient towards God. Angels were created without desires.

Jinn on the other hand were created with desires and intellect. They can alter their shape, size and appearance so that they can appear like how many people think of Angels.

Jinn often take the appearance of Angels in popular culture in order to convince people to worship them or some other false deity.

The surest way to know whether it is an Angel or an evil Jinn is that an Angel would never bring revelation to anyone except a Prophet. This means, an Angel would never bring anything which contradicts, alters or changes the revelation and laws as revealed to the previous Messenger. Whereas an evil Jinn appearing like an Angel always tries to encourage a person to act contrary to revelation and Divine Law whether through false worship and obedience or through corrupt beliefs and thoughts.

Most "Angels" that appear to Christians, even appearances of "Mary", are always evil Jinn telling the devotee to build a shrine or altar upon which to make offerings of worship and acts of obedience. This is all false worship and acts of disobedience to the Creator. Evil Jinn want people to worship other than the Creator. This is the task that Satan himself has assigned them.

So, Christians have a concept of "fallen angels" whereas Muslims do not. All Angels are good and only obey the Creator. Whereas Jinn can be good or bad. The good Jinn obey God in avoiding the residences and areas of human beings. Evil Jinn live among human beings, always looking for ways to misguide us, even appearing as "Angels" in order to solicit false worship and disobedience to the Creator.



The Angels and the Jinn - Bilal Philips

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This is your opinion, not the opinion of the scholars who confirmed the authenticity of the Qur’an with scientific and historical evidence

Don't talk ignorantly to waste time
There are no changes in the Quran and we all know it. When do you plan to stop bearing false witness?

We all know the Quran today is exactly as it was revealed.

. Your one eye narrative doesn't interest me at all.

We literally have 1400 year old Quran's to verify it, not to mention its always been an oral tradition. Millions today can recite the Quran cover to cover from MEMORY and it has always been this way.

I frequently point out all those who hate Islam today can't find the ability to change a single letter. Look at China, a nation of a BILLION. They have went on record saying they will write there own Quran and this was how many years ago? Where is it?

And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful. (2:23 Quran)

1400 years and many haters of Islam have lived and died. Where is their Quran? Why do we only have one Quran today?
Why has EVERY generation failed to produce one surah


To this day there is one Quran. In the original language that it was revealed in.



Indeed God has claimed in the Quran kareem that He himself protects it and we see the proof of this today.







Compare this to the 20,000 changes!! in Bibles today. So many you yourself have to select specific versions.


May God guide you.


Oldestversion of the Quran at the University of Birmingham - YouTube

You will be shocked when youwatch this video

FULL - Dr. Zakir Naik The Quran and the Bible in the Light of Science vs Dr William Campbell



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crucified was Christ”


I.

that the one who was crucified was Christ”. This comment is far removed from the truth, and we do not know of anyone who made such a claim before. What is certain is that not everyone in the world believes in the crucifixion of the Messiah; in fact most of the world does not believe in that. The latest statistics (2014 CE) state that the number of Christians in the entire world, of all sects and denominations, is approximately 30% of the world’s population. This means that approximately 70% reject what the Christians say, or at the very least they do not believe in it.

This was also the case before Islam came. Not everyone in the world at that time – in fact this may be said of most of the people in the world – believed in the crucifixion. There were pagan Arabs, who knew nothing about this matter and never heard of it at all. There were also the Magians (Zoroastrians), who worshipped fire, and who at that time had a great empire which was hostile and opposed to the Christians on religious and political grounds. There were also people who did not believe in any religion … and many other peoples.

All of these people did not believe what the Christians believed, or at the very least you cannot say that they believed in that or include them among those who believed in it, if you are an honest researcher who respects himself and his intellect.

Furthermore, there were sects among the Christians themselves who believed that the Messiah was not crucified, and that the one who was crucified was a look-alike, as is proven in the Christian sources themselves.

St. Alphonsus Maria Liguori said:

One of the innovations of the first century was that of Florian, according to which Christ was a non-holy force and was able to take whatever shape or form he wanted. Hence when the Jews wanted to crucify him, he exchanged forms with Simon the Cyrene, thus Simon was crucified whilst Jesus was mocking the Jews.

John Fenton, a commentator on the Gospel of Matthew, said:

One of the second-century Gnostic sects said that Simon the Cyrene was crucified instead of Jesus.

Seuss said in his book, ‘Aqeedat al-Muslimeen fi Masaa’il an-Nasraaniyyah [What the Muslims believe about some Christian issues]: The Basilidian sect denied the crucifixion. They were one of the first-century sects.

[We have taken these quotes from the book Silsilat Manaazirah ma‘a Qissees: Hal suliba al-Maseeh? [Series of Debates with a Priest: Was the Messiah crucified?] by Dr. Munqidh as-Saqqaar.]

So how can it be said, after this, that everyone in the world was certain that the Messiah was crucified? This is the first fallacy in your question.


None of the followers of the Messiah were present at the crucifixion, apart from a few women, and some reports in the Gospels even doubt that they were there. This doubt comes from Christian scholars themselves.

If no one was present at the crucifixion except a small number of women, who stood some distance away and watched from afar, this did not give them the opportunity to verify or be certain who the person was who was being crucified. Moreover, some of his enemies crucified the look-alike, thinking it was the Messiah. Therefore it is not valid to say, after that, that the crucifixion of the Messiah was narrated via “recurring testimony”.

Imam Ibn Hazm (may Allah have mercy on him) said:

We looked at those who reported the crucifixion of the Messiah (peace be upon him), and we found a large number who were no doubt truthful in their transmission of it, generation after generation, all the way back to those who claimed to have witnessed his crucifixion. Then when it comes to that group, it is a different story, as they are no more than guards who were there under orders, and you could expect them to lie and accept bribes in return for saying something false.

The Christians affirm that they were not able to capture him by day for fear of the masses, and that they could only capture him at night when the people had dispersed following the Passover; and that he was only on the cross for six hours of the day, after which he was taken down; and that he was only crucified in a place outside the city, in a potter’s field that was used only for obtaining clay, and was not a place that was known for the carrying out of crucifixions and was not allocated for that purpose. Moreover, the guards were bribed to say that his companions stole his body, so they did that. Furthermore, Mary Magdalene – who was a woman of the common people – did not come close to the site of his crucifixion; rather she was standing and watching from afar. All of this is to be found in the text of the Gospel that they have.

Therefore it cannot be true that the story of the crucifixion was transmitted via a process of tawaatur. Rather the apparent meaning of the story, as it was narrated, indicates that there was some discretion and concealment, and prior agreement on what story was to be told. On that night, the disciples – according to the Gospel text – were in a state of fear and were absent from the scene, having fled for their lives and hidden themselves, even though Simon Peter had entered the house of the priest Caiaphas by day, where the priest said to him: You are one of his followers, but Peter denied it and fled from the house.

Therefore you cannot find anyone who transmitted the report of his crucifixion that you can be sure is telling the truth

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“the Gospels and the four authors who are agreed that he [the Messiah] was the one who was crucified”.

Before discussing this fallacy, we would like to draw your attention to the fact that the four Gospels Matthew, Mark, Luke and John) were not all written by disciples of the Messiah. Mark and Luke were not disciples; rather they were students of the disciples. With regard to Matthew and John, it was said that they were disciples, but some Christian scholars doubted that.



As for our response to this fallacy, we have previously noted that none of the disciples of the Messiah witnessed the crucifixion; rather it was narrated to them as it was narrated to others. Based on that, the writers of the Gospels were not present at this event at all, and they did not tell of something that they had seen so that we would have to believe them. Rather they narrated reports that were transmitted by people in their own era, which were not necessarily true. Rather we must examine them, because they may be true or they may be false.

If we examine what the Gospels say about the crucifixion and the events surrounding it, we will find that they differ about it from beginning to end.

It is sufficient to refer to what the Gospels say about the arrest and trial of Jesus, the timing of the crucifixion (day and hour), the cry of despair from the cross, the witnesses to the crucifixion, the resurrection from the grave… and so on, all of that and much more. It is sufficient to say that the Gospels differed greatly concerning that, which causes one to lose trust in all of these views, and the researcher does not know which of the Gospels to accept and which to reject.
 
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The Quran denied crucifixion of Jesus



the Qur’an came and denied the crucifixion categorically, there would be nothing wrong with someone believing in that until today. But after the coming of the Holy Qur’an and its categorical denial of the crucifixion of the Messiah, the one who still insists on that is a disbeliever, because he is rejecting what Allah, may He be exalted, says.

But before the coming of the Qur’an, whoever believed in the Messiah (peace be upon him) on the basis that he was a human being and one of the noble messengers of Allah, then followed him in his affirmation of Allah’s oneness and obeyed him, will be saved and will attain victory before Allah, may He be exalted, regardless of whether he believed that the Messiah was crucified or not.

On the other hand, whoever believes that the Messiah is divine and not human, and says that he is God or the son of God, is a disbeliever and will clearly be a loser on the Day of Resurrection, regardless of whether he believed that the Messiah was crucified or not.

Hence the Holy Qur’an did not discuss the issue of the crucifixion except in a few words. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and their saying: ‘We slew the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary’, the Messenger of Allah - whereas in fact they had neither slain him nor crucified him but the matter was made dubious to them - and those who differed about it too were in a state of doubt! They have no definite knowledge of it, but merely follow conjecture; and they surely slew him not,

but Allah raised him to Himself. Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”

[an-Nisaa’ 4:157-158].



At the same time, the issue of the oneness of Allah, may He be glorified and exalted, the One, the Unique, the Eternal Refuge, is seen throughout the Qur’an, because it is the focal point of Islam, the purpose for which the noble Messengers (blessings and peace of Allah be upon them) were sent.

From the issue of Tawheed stems the issue of denying the divinity of the Messiah (peace be upon him), because many verses in several soorahs of the Qur’an refute that and show it to be false.

Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“They have certainly disbelieved who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary’ while the Messiah has said, ‘O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.’ Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers.

They have certainly disbelieved who say, ‘Allah is the third of three.’ And there is no god except one God. And if they do not desist from what they are saying, there will surely afflict the disbelievers among them a painful punishment.

So will they not repent to Allah and seek His forgiveness? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.

The Messiah, son of Mary, was not but a messenger; [other] messengers have passed on before him. And his mother was a supporter of truth. They both used to eat food. Look how We make clear to them the signs; then look how they are deluded”

[al-Maa’idah 5:72-75]

“The Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, was but a messenger of Allah and His word which He directed to Mary and a soul [created at a command] from Him. So believe in Allah and His messengers. And do not say, ‘Three’; desist - it is better for you. Indeed, Allah is but one God. Exalted is He above having a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on the earth. And sufficient is Allah as Disposer of affairs”
[an-Nisaa’ 4:171]

 
النصاري صارو يخشون الكشف عن عقيدتهم الدينية، لماذا؟ Speaker's corner

الثالوث والانجيل والكتاب المقدس والفطرة وإزدواج المعايير في حيرة

شاب ينطق بالشهادة بعد أن ظل يمارس الإسلام في السر لمدة سنتين

شاب ألماني ينطق بالشهادة ويرجع للإسلام بعد أن تركه بسبب إيمانه بالتطور

ملحد محترم يسأل محمد حجاب عن سبب الخلود في النار - الجزء الأول

ملحد محترم يسأل محمد حجاب عن سبب الخلود في النار - الجزء الثاني
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgMInoqAmys
 
Hell is norse mythology, so Jesus not be teaching Norse. Maybr your bible translation is faulty.
Hell is taught in the Old Covenant and existed before the Norse.
Deut. 32:22, II Sam. 22:6, Job 11:8,26:6, Psalm 9:17,16:10,18:5,55:15,86:13,116:3,139:8,Pr.5:5.7:27,9:18,
Proverbs 15:11,15:24, 23:14,27:20
Isiah 5:14,14:9,15,28:15,28:18,57:9
Ezekiel 31:16,17,32:21,27
Amos 9:2,Jonah 2:2, Hab. 2:5
 
The Quran denied crucifixion of Jesus



the Qur’an came and denied the crucifixion categorically, there would be nothing wrong with someone believing in that until today. But after the coming of the Holy Qur’an and its categorical denial of the crucifixion of the Messiah, the one who still insists on that is a disbeliever, because he is rejecting what Allah, may He be exalted, says.

But before the coming of the Qur’an, whoever believed in the Messiah (peace be upon him) on the basis that he was a human being and one of the noble messengers of Allah, then followed him in his affirmation of Allah’s oneness and obeyed him, will be saved and will attain victory before Allah, may He be exalted, regardless of whether he believed that the Messiah was crucified or not.

On the other hand, whoever believes that the Messiah is divine and not human, and says that he is God or the son of God, is a disbeliever and will clearly be a loser on the Day of Resurrection, regardless of whether he believed that the Messiah was crucified or not.

Hence the Holy Qur’an did not discuss the issue of the crucifixion except in a few words. Allah, may He be exalted, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and their saying: ‘We slew the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary’, the Messenger of Allah - whereas in fact they had neither slain him nor crucified him but the matter was made dubious to them - and those who differed about it too were in a state of doubt! They have no definite knowledge of it, but merely follow conjecture; and they surely slew him not,

but Allah raised him to Himself. Allah is All-Mighty, All-Wise”

[an-Nisaa’ 4:157-158].
The Koran does say that Jesus was crucified. The passage in the Koran is mis-translated and I gave you the evidence from a highly qualified language expert. Also the Arabic language has changed and when the passage is translated in the earliest version it also says that Jesus was crucified. I will give you that version in Arabic when I find it in my notes. Also as I have said before, secular historians have verified that Jesus was killed. When you insist he wasn't then you discredit Muhammad who was saying that Jesus could not be killed only His image or body. He was mis-interpreted by his followers.
Lucia c. 120- after c. 180 - Referred to Jesus as a crucified sophis (philosopher).
Tacitus c.56 - c. 120 - quote - "Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty...at the hands of our procurator, Pontus Pilate."
Josephus - c. 37 - c. 100 - quote - "At the time there appeared Jesus, a wise man, for he was a doer of amazing deeds. When Pilate condemned him to the cross, the leading men among us, having accused him, those who loved him did not cease to do so."
 
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