Who Is Ukraine's President, Volodymyr Zelenskyy?

Gondwanaland said:
So you're a traitor. Gotcha.
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No traitor here, that would be Joe Biden leaving American troops in Afghanistan and not protecting American borders

You're one of many that is under the spell of western medias propaganda in smoke and mirrors

America wouldn't allow Russia or China to have missile bases on its borders, and Putin surely isn't going to allow NATO to have bases 500 miles from Moscow

Simple common sense, and if the west thinks they are going to poke the bear in its cage, it could be World War III

America has no business being involved in Ukraine, it has it's own Mexican border currently being overrun with criminals and drugs

America First, Trump/DeSantis 2024

Jesus Is The Lord
 
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rossum said:
So Putin has no right to conscript his civilians? Really? Another stupid argument from Omsk (or is it Tomsk).

Any country has the right to enlist civilians into their army, give them some training and use them as soldiers. Especially when their country is being invaded by an aggressive neighbour.

You need to make your pro-Russian propaganda more believable. Currently it is so laughably bad that it is ignored. You need to post something more believable.
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What is propaganda about saying "Putin isn't going to allow NATO bases in Ukraine, 500 miles away from Moscow?"

Either it's true, or its false. It seems to be a statement of fact, not an ideological statement. It doesn't justify Putin, or disapprove. It's just a statement of pure fact, which you are free to refute, if you have evidence to the contrary, but you are not free to cast it as propaganda unless you have plausible evidence that it is unfounded.

It seems to me that you have a severe problem with objectivity versus subjectivity, and even with expressing yourself.
 
Truth7t7 said:
No traitor here, that would be Joe Biden leaving American troops in Afghanistan and not protecting American borders

You're one of many that is under the spell of western medias propaganda in smoke and mirrors

America wouldn't allow Russia or China to have missile bases on its borders, and Putin surely isn't going to allow NATO to have bases 500 miles from Moscow

Simple common sense, and if the west thinks they are going to poke the bear in its cage, it could be World War III

America has no business being involved in Ukraine, it has it's own Mexican border currently being overrun with criminals and drugs

America First, Trump/DeSantis 2024

Jesus Is The Lord
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Why should nato allow Russian bases miles from their border? Guess they have the right to invade Russia then, who?

There were no nato bases in Ukraine, fyi
 
Gondwanaland said:
I doubt most Ukrainians expected war to break out in their neighborhood a year or two ago. Or even a month or two ago.

Had they been able to readily own arms and know how to use them, instead of getting them passed out to them in what has amounted to a forced 18-60 draft, they might be doing far better than they are now, and this might be over.

Yeah, still not giving you any more information, weirdo. Come find out.

Don't know, don't care.
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This is like the argument of gun-toters that there would have been no Holocaust had the German Jews been armed. Well, that has been debunked, and the situation in Ukraine is no different.

I am not surprised you don't care about the gun carnage in America. 40,000 dead/year is less important than your ability to maintain an arsenal of 169 deadly weapons, right? Your side is not even willing to acknowledge the problem much less propose solutions.
 
JosephLeo said:
Aren't Israel doing the same thing with Palestine? Israel doesn't suffer from any western sanctions. As long as it support western interests, it's totally fine, right? How about the Suez canal? It belongs to Egypt. But England, France, and Israel tried to take it from them because their interest is threatened. Are these "western" nations doing the same thing?

The former Soviet union countries does not include Poland, Hungary, Romania, Czech, and Slovakia. They are not USSR, lol.
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Yes, I agree that Israel is doing the same thing with Palestine and should be sanctioned.
This has not happened since they are aligned with the US, and because they are the only democracy in the Middle East.

And Saudi Arabia is doing the same thing in Yemen, and we should sanction them for that as well as the murder of Kashogghi.
 
JosephLeo said:
Zelensky has no right whatsoever in making untrained civilians who doesn't even know how to operate a gun, let alone hold one to defend from the Russians. Sure, it feels so heroic and with great pride to defend your country and post it in instagram or facebook to look cool, but these are just feelings of emotions for that moment only which will not help the untrained non military person. If they see someone's head get blown up by shrapnel, see someone's intestine on the road or a flattened eyeball, it will have a traumatic effect on them what more if they see that the blown body parts came from their dad, uncle, grandfather, or their younger brother. They haven't experienced this first hand in their life. They will probably flee from panic and fear by the thousands.

They are effectively a human shield for Zelensky. Don't they have their military to defend their country? It's really pathetic.
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Kelensky is not "making" people do anything. They are doing this of their own accord, as they don't want to be part of Russia and can see that Russia aims to destroy their country and their culture. Who would not fight in that situation?
 
Gondwanaland said:
Why should nato allow Russian bases miles from their border? Guess they have the right to invade Russia then, who?

There were no nato bases in Ukraine, fyi
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And there isn't going to be missile bases in Ukraine, your catching on

Just as there isn't going to be Russian/Chinese missile bases on Mexican or Canadian borders with the US
 
Truth7t7 said:
I Agree Joseph

Zelenskyy should have waved the white flag long ago, when NATO stated they wouldn't interfere, coupled with the US backing out of the fighter plane deal with Poland, a staged front in propaganda

Russia has cut off all supply routes for ammunition and food, the civilian population has been given 2 weeks+ to get out of the country?

Russia will soon cut off electricity, gas, food, ammunition and essential supplies to Kiev, a no win situation

Its nothing but propaganda to report otherwise, as the Ukranian resistance is nothing more than untrained civilians in the vast majority

Zelenskyy Surrender, Save The Civilian Population!
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Wow, you really are a Russian!

Ukrainians do not want to be under the thumb of Putin, and are fighting for their country, their culture, and their history.

Unless the west steps up more, Ukraine will likely fall, but will fight to the bitter end.

In the meantime, the Russian economy will be destroyed, and Putin's ambitions to restore the USSR will stop at having acquired a destroyed country that he cannot afford to fix.
 
vibise said:
This is like the argument of gun-toters that there would have been no Holocaust had the German Jews been armed. Well, that has been debunked, and the situation in Ukraine is no different.

I am not surprised you don't care about the gun carnage in America. 40,000 dead/year is less important than your ability to maintain an arsenal of 169 deadly weapons, right? Your side is not even willing to acknowledge the problem much less propose solutions.
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A main reason for the deaths, 8s democrats in major cities in America, defund the police, cashless bail, letting criminals out returning to killing and crime

Guns don't kill people, those pulling the triggers do the killing
 
Truth7t7 said:
A main reason for the deaths, 8s democrats in major cities in America, defund the police, cashless bail, letting criminals out returning to killing and crime

Guns don't kill people, those pulling the triggers do the killing
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Except that countries that do not allow civilians to own guns do not have the problem we have.
 
vibise said:
Wow, you really are a Russian!

Ukrainians do not want to be under the thumb of Putin, and are fighting for their country, their culture, and their history.

Unless the west steps up more, Ukraine will likely fall, but will fight to the bitter end.

In the meantime, the Russian economy will be destroyed, and Putin's ambitions to restore the USSR will stop at having acquired a destroyed country that he cannot afford to fix.
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Your living in a fantasy land

Putin mistaking Ukraine,who was supporting a hostile western world in threats to Russian security

Puttin isn't going to have a western puppet Zelenskyy government, between Moscow and his Naval base in Crimea, nor NATO missiles on his border 500 miles from Moscow

The western sanctions have helped Putin, as increased oil and gas prices have doubled his revenue, while countries. are doing nothing more than buying Russian energy through backdoor channels
 
vibise said:
Except that countries that do not allow civilians to own guns do not have the problem we have.
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The American 2nd amendment, is for the citizen to protect themselves against a tyrannical government, and one of the major reason America is still free, and will be in the future

I don't see liberals such as yourself, changing this American right in the future, and that's a good thing
 
cjab said:
What is propaganda about saying "Putin isn't going to allow NATO bases in Ukraine, 500 miles away from Moscow?"
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First, there are no NATO bases in Ukraine. There were no NATO bases in Ukraine when Putin sent in his troops. This whole point is pure propaganda and completely irrelevant to the current war.

Second, Putin is President of Russia. He does not get to tell another country what to do. He can peacefully negotiate if he wants to, but he does not have the right to invade. Does the US have the right to invade Russia to eliminate Russian military bases within 500 miles of Alaska? Does Estonia have the right to invade to eliminate military bases within 500 miles of Tallinn? How many Russian military bases are there within 500 miles of Helsinki?

Russia is claiming a right it does not have in law. That is why it is propaganda, it is an irrelevant and unsupported claim. It does not justify an invasion of a country with no NATO bases.

It is propaganda, and you keep repeating it and other Russian propaganda here.

You are being very very obvious.
 
vibise said:
This is like the argument of gun-toters that there would have been no Holocaust had the German Jews been armed. Well, that has been debunked,
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No, it hasn't.
vibise said:
and the situation in Ukraine is no different.

I am not surprised you don't care about the gun carnage in America. 40,000 dead/year is less important than your ability to maintain an arsenal of 169 deadly weapons, right? Your side is not even willing to acknowledge the problem much less propose solutions.
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More dishonest padding of your numbers to include suicides.

And sorry hun, but 500,000 defensive gun uses (AT LEAST according to the LOWEST estimates of Obama's CDC), and the finding by the same Obama study that armed citizens are less likely to be injured by attackers, far outweighs your 40,000 dead per year dishonestly padded number.

I've provided solutions. You've provided nothing but illegal violations of constitutional rights.
 
JosephLeo said:
Aren't Israel doing the same thing with Palestine? Israel doesn't suffer from any western sanctions. As long as it support western interests, it's totally fine, right? How about the Suez canal? It belongs to Egypt. But England, France, and Israel tried to take it from them because their interest is threatened. Are these "western" nations doing the same thing?
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Yes, they are, and should be sanctioned in the exact same way. I've long been a BDS supporter.
 
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