I appreciate your responses, just trying to find clarity in your responses.... Doctrine is number one to me so of course I would be interested in sources, good sources you may have mentioned and are on to something I should be aware of.... BYU is not a source I would consider creditable with the Church Doctrine; allowing so many progressive teachers and professors teaching there and eager to change LDS history or revisionism...
I'm not trying to argue with any continuous attempt on my part to change your mind as you seem set on seeing changes which I don't actually see or live. When they do away with the Doctrine, Proclamation on Marriage and Priesthood for all, male and female, then I will have to check my testimony and see if it can stand up to what I have always been taught and studied in the Scriptures.
Sorry about the tense confusion, present or future does not matter to me, both the same as far as I'm concerned...so yes that is clear, and I don't see a gravitation toward any future changes in Doctrine or the Priesthood. I'm sure your satisfied that those changes are very near and it will eventually prove your right to your great joy and happiness. Joy and Happiness is not a slight on my part towards you, but only to agree that you have great empathy for Gays and their personal transition to normalcy...
Hero sexual man, really? was that necessary Marrk...
Regards, Richard.
LOL…first of all “hero sexual”…thats funny…it was a typo for heterosexual..sorry.
Moving past the typo…I think my response is very clear, I simply showed you how the church is softening and trending towards supporting LBGT issues and certainly not backwards or remaining the as they were say 30 years ago, or even 13 years ago with the church stance on prop 8.
I’m not nor have I never ever denied what church doctrine is on this…in fact I believe my assertions naturally assume a strict doctrine, inwhich they are trending away from…otherwise my assertions make zero sense Ralf.
BYU is church owned and GA managed… here is the Board of Trustees….
https://catalog.byu.edu/about-byu/administration
Ralf I believe it is pretty hard to separate the church from BYU, they are intertwined. In fact BYU sponsors programs, like the Neal Maxwell Institute, which is on campus, help define church doctrine for the GA. It is well known that the Church’s “Gospel Topic Essays” were all drafted by LDS scholars, and they worked closely with the GA pre publication efforts.
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/essays?lang=eng
Church Board of Education and Board of Trustees
President Russell M. Nelson
Chairman
President Dallin H. Oaks
First Vice Chairman
President Henry B. Eyring
Second Vice Chairman
Elder Jeffrey R. Holland
Board Member
Elder D. Todd Christofferson
Board Member
Elder Paul V. Johnson
Board Member
Elder Michael T. Ringwood
Board Member
Bishop Gérald Caussé
Board Member
Sister Camille N. Johnson
Board Member
Sister Bonnie H. Cordon
Board Member
Brother Steven J. Lund
Board Member
R. Kelly Haws
Secretary
Also Ralf it is very hypocritical that you state BYU is not creditable source for doctrine, when you are famous for using FAIR as your go to sourse for answer regarding LDS doctrine and thought. FAIR and the Brethren work closely together along with the Neal Maxwell Institute. But I will take that for your word and will remind you every time you present something from LDS scholarship in regards to a doctrine or thought…and repeat this…
” BYU is not a source I would consider creditable with the Church Doctrine; allowing so many progressive teachers and professors teaching there and eager to change LDS history or revisionism...”
I'm not trying to argue with any continuous attempt on my part to change your mind as you seem set on seeing changes which I don't actually see or live. When they do away with the Doctrine, Proclamation on Marriage and Priesthood for all, male and female, then I will have to check my testimony and see if it can stand up to what I have always been taught and studied in the Scriptures.
Fine, but that really has nothing to do with the OP, or are previous conversation a few years back. If you can’t see these changes, I can’t make you, but they are clearly changing that shows the church has softens, and no doubt the folks have.
Sorry about the tense confusion, present or future does not matter to me, both the same as far as I'm concerned...so yes that is clear, and I don't see a gravitation toward any future changes in Doctrine or the Priesthood. I'm sure your satisfied that those changes are very near and it will eventually prove your right to your great joy and happiness. Joy and Happiness is not a slight on my part towards you, but only to agree that you have great empathy for Gays and their personal transition to normalcy...
Well Ralf, your OP made perfect sense an was a fair question…and I answered it not personally, but with true facts, and easily backed up as such. Your current change of thought is much different.
Ralf, where have I shown empathy to Gays, and what does that even mean, and what has I said or provided reason to say such. I am pointing out, as asked by you how the LDS church softened it position on the LGBT issue and community.
If I had to put this in a few words I would just have to say you again got caught with your pants down with the OP question and you are hiving a hard time dealing with these changes.