Conversion, the result of regeneration.

Carbon

Carbon

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Regeneration is the work of God the Holy Spirit as He supernaturally and immediately changes the disposition of the soul from spiritual death to spiritual life.
Conversion is a result of regeneration. When we are converted, we’re turned around and we move in a different direction. Sproul.


Conversion according to scripture involves a change of mind, a change in the evaluation of things. After conversion a man fosters different views concerning God and Christ and sin and salvation than he did before his conversion.

1 Corinthians 2:
12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.

Regeneration is first in the order of salvation.
 
Carbon said:
Regeneration is the work of God the Holy Spirit as He supernaturally and immediately changes the disposition of the soul from spiritual death to spiritual life.
Conversion is a result of regeneration. When we are converted, we’re turned around and we move in a different direction. Sproul.


Conversion according to scripture involves a change of mind, a change in the evaluation of things. After conversion a man fosters different views concerning God and Christ and sin and salvation than he did before his conversion.

1 Corinthians 2:
12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.

Regeneration is first in the order of salvation.
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Of course there is that heavenly calling, which is always efficacious, "it always results in salvation."
This is the case because when God sends forth this heavenly calling, He attends and accompanies the external call of the gospel and is a mighty irresistible operation of the Holy Spirit working directly on man in his innermost being effecting the change of the heart and makes man a new creation in Christ. 2 Cor 5:17, Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.
Here is the mystical union. Which infuses the life from above, the life which Christ is the fountain, into the heart and performs a spiritual resurrection of the sinner who was dead in trespass and sin, Eph 2:1, And you were dead in the trespasses and sins. and He makes us alive, :5 even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
 
Carbon said:

Regeneration is the work of God the Holy Spirit as He supernaturally and immediately changes the disposition of the soul from spiritual death to spiritual life.
Conversion is a result of regeneration. When we are converted, we’re turned around and we move in a different direction. Sproul.

Conversion according to scripture involves a change of mind, a change in the evaluation of things. After conversion a man fosters different views concerning God and Christ and sin and salvation than he did before his conversion.

1 Corinthians 2:
12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.

Regeneration is first in the order of salvation.
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I would say the initial to regeneration is prevenient grace with synergism/libertarianism choice, where prevenient grace converts the person towards and into regeneration.

The prevenient grace works in natural revelation and continues during profound circumstances and the required hearing of the gospel.

This conforms to your scriptures.
 
Kampioen said:
I would say
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First let me say, thanks for your say, ... your opinion. :)
Kampioen said:
the initial to regeneration is prevenient grace with synergism/libertarianism choice, where prevenient grace converts the person towards and into regeneration.
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Not taught in scripture at all. But thanks for your understanding and opinion. Can I ask why you see it as such?
Kampioen said:
The prevenient grace works in natural revelation and continues during profound circumstances and the required hearing of the gospel.

This conforms to your scriptures.
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Not scriptural at all.
 
Carbon said:
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Sproul.
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God:
1Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
 
PeanutGallery said:
God:
1Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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That's an odd way of agreeing with me, but, thanks. :)
 
PeanutGallery said:
God:
1Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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Cool! Sproul agrees and got his teaching from God. Thanks!
 
Carbon said:
They just don't see the profound truth in the scriptures they use. :(
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Agreed, it is sad, they are on a belligerency against truth.

"Champion" hardly ever uses Scripture and I've shown and exhorted him to do so to no avail.

But he is the epitome of a person who teaches what he thinks is Christianity, but it is teaching pure humanism. He is setting the precedence for the rest of the anti-Calvinists to follow.

His bravado should lead the others to do the same; abandon Scripture and get right on down to their logical end: pure humanism.

Robert Schuller would be proud.
 
preacher4truth said:
Agreed, it is sad, they are on a belligerency against truth.

"Champion" hardly ever uses Scripture and I've shown and exhorted him to do so to no avail.

But he is the epitome of a person who teaches what he thinks is Christianity, but it is teaching pure humanism. He is setting the precedence for the rest of the anti-Calvinists to follow.

His bravado should lead the others to do the same; abandon Scripture and get right on down to their logical end: pure humanism.

Robert Schuller would be proud.
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Yes. And very sad indeed.
 
Kampioen said:
I would say
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Therein lies the entire problem and the ensuing humanistic ideology below:
Kampioen said:
the initial to regeneration is prevenient grace with synergism/libertarianism choice, where prevenient grace converts the person towards and into regeneration.

The prevenient grace works in natural revelation and continues during profound circumstances and the required hearing of the gospel.
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Humanism^^^
Kampioen said:
This conforms to your scriptures.
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No, your teaching isn't remotely Biblical.
 
Carbon said:
Regeneration is the work of God the Holy Spirit as He supernaturally and immediately changes the disposition of the soul from spiritual death to spiritual life.
Conversion is a result of regeneration. When we are converted, we’re turned around and we move in a different direction. Sproul.


Conversion according to scripture involves a change of mind, a change in the evaluation of things. After conversion a man fosters different views concerning God and Christ and sin and salvation than he did before his conversion.

1 Corinthians 2:
12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.

Regeneration is first in the order of salvation.
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Amen
 
Carbon said:
Regeneration is the work of God the Holy Spirit as He supernaturally and immediately changes the disposition of the soul from spiritual death to spiritual life.
Conversion is a result of regeneration. When we are converted, we’re turned around and we move in a different direction. Sproul.


Conversion according to scripture involves a change of mind, a change in the evaluation of things. After conversion a man fosters different views concerning God and Christ and sin and salvation than he did before his conversion.

1 Corinthians 2:
12 Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God. 13 And we impart this in words not taught by human wisdom but taught by the Spirit, interpreting spiritual truths to those who are spiritual.

14 The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one.

Regeneration is first in the order of salvation.
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not according to scripture

John 20:31 (KJV 1900) — 31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

faith and then life

Acts 11:18 (KJV 1900) — 18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

repentance then life

Colossians 2:12 (KJV 1900) — 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

faith then spiritual resurection (being raised with Christ)

1cor 2:14 never mentions regeneration
 
Carbon said:

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Conversion is a result of regeneration. When we are converted, we’re turned around and we move in a different direction. Sproul.
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Regeneration is first in the order of salvation.
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God:
1Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

Carbon said:
That's an odd way of agreeing with me, but, thanks. :)
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preacher4truth said:
Cool! Sproul agrees and got his teaching from God. Thanks!
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Two regenerations?
Regeneration -> conversion -> belief -> saved -> by the washing of regeneration.
 
PeanutGallery said:
God:
1Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;



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Two regenerations?
Regeneration -> conversion -> belief -> saved -> by the washing of regeneration.
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Nope, belief is something granted by God. All part of the same process
 
PeanutGallery said:
God:
1Cor 1:21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
Titus 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;



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Two regenerations?
Regeneration -> conversion -> belief -> saved -> by the washing of regeneration.
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They are the regenerated re-regenerated group. They need to be re-regenerated in case the first regeneration did not take hold.
 
Kampioen said:
Humanism is void of God. How is Synergism humanism?



Christianity isn't Buddhism. If I'm humanist then so are you.
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When Calvinists are cornered, they robotically spew out words they know very little about. Humanism is a secular term and has no place in a religious context, let alone Christian context.
 
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