1Thess521
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Jesus is not literally in the bread and wine
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dingoling.
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No. Your understanding of scripture isn't complete.
1Thess521
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then please explain these verses:
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The New Covenant
When did the new covenant go into effect? Take a swing! What is you answer?
Hebrews 9:
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, (diathéké) so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. 16 For where a will (diathéké) is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established.17For a will (diathéké) takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive."
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forgiveness of sin.
When was the penalty of sins paid for? Take a swing: What is you answer?
1 Corinthians 15:3
Christ died for our sins, according to Scriptures
1 Peter 3:18
Christ died for sins, once for all”
Hebrews 9:15
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant
Isaiah 53:
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors
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Propitiation (the appeasement of God’s wrath)
When was the propitiation made? Take a swing! What is you answer?
Romans 5:7-9
7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
Colossians 1:21-22
And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
dingoling.
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Well if the NC didn't go into effect until Jesus' death then Jesus shouldn't have said to those, "your sins are forgiven", but that your sins will be forgiven.
1Thess521
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explain the verses and answer the 1 question in each section
and ding says
Well if the NC didn't go into effect until Jesus' death then Jesus shouldn't have said to those, "your sins are forgiven", but that your sins will be forgiven.
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ding;
how many times have you told us you have read the scriptures????????????
and you know notta about the Feast Days of the Lord
Leviticus 23
Well if the NC didn't go into effect until Jesus' death then Jesus shouldn't have said to those, "your sins are forgiven", but that your sins will be forgiven.
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ding;
how many times have you told us you have read the scriptures????????????
and you know notta about the Feast Days of the Lord
Leviticus 23
dingoling.
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Jesus death on the cross didn't complete the sacrifice. He had to enter the Holy of Holies with his own blood. So did the NC go into effect on the cross or when Jesus entered the Holy of Holies? Not sure.
1Thess521
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But not at the last supper
Thanks
Bob Carabbio
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So "transsubstantiation" is FALSE TEACHING. I agree. Contrary to what I was always told, of course a the member of a LARGE Roman Catholic family.
dingoling.
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You are trying to prove that the bread and wine are not the body and blood of Christ, but sorry it hasn't worked. You are not understanding scripture completely.
excellent response
No you understanding is incommplete and lacking true understanding. You still have nothing to prove Jesus was speaking literally.
If Jesus didn't need to go to the cross for it to come into effect, then why did He. It seems He decided to suffer unnecessarily according to RCs.
You haven't proved that it was His body and blood and you have ignored the op. Your understanding is incomplete and makes the cross totally unnecessary which is false.
RayneBeau
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What!????!!!!
Is this incredible inane Roman Catholic belief perhaps why the most disturbing aspect of the RCC doctrine is that Christ is being re-sacrificed daily by thousands of Roman Catholic priests, and that by recieving the Eucharist a Roman Catholic can obtain forgiveness of sins. In other words, the Roman Cathoic Church teaches that the Eucharist is a sacrificial offering able to atone for sins. Therefore Jesus Christ is ever suffering and dying each time a Roman Catholic priest consecrates the wafer.
1Thess521
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YOU claimed that Jesus effectively died at the Last Supper
YOU claimed the new covenant obviously went into effect with the words of Jesus at the Last Supper.
prove it
That will never happen.
1Thess521
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You claimed "You are not understanding scripture completely."
enlighten us!!
As these verse relate to Christ's death; please provide the complete understanding of these verses
The question are in RED
The New Covenant
When did the new covenant go into effect? Take a swing! What is you answer?
Hebrews 9:
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, (diathéké) so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant. 16 For where a will (diathéké) is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established.17For a will (diathéké) takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive."
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forgiveness of sin.
When was the penalty of sins paid for? Take a swing: What is you answer?
1 Corinthians 15:3
Christ died for our sins, according to Scriptures
1 Peter 3:18
Christ died for sins, once for all”
Hebrews 9:15
15 Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant
Isaiah 53:
because he poured out his life unto death,
and was numbered with the transgressors.
For he bore the sin of many,
and made intercession for the transgressors
------------------
Propitiation (the appeasement of God’s wrath)
When was the propitiation made? Take a swing! What is you answer?
Romans 5:7-9
7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
Colossians 1:21-22
And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach—
Carbon
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Actually you don’t! You just borrow them from God’s word to distort and deceive.
Lol. Scripture interprets scripture.