I think the Mormon poster is referring banjo playing. I've heard one of the punishments and torments in hell is you have to listen to banjo playing day in and day out.
It's the only sin I've heard of that Jesus doesn't forgive.
Could Satan's sins be forgiven if he repents?
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It's the only sin I've heard of that Jesus doesn't forgive.
zerinus
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When you can't defeat the doctrine, attack the man.
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Chuckz
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I would have to say, "no" and there is no short answer.
Satan was in the presence of God and knew better. We are accountable to the amount of light we have and the angels knew everything we did not know. Adam had a little bit of revelation but not the whole complete story as far as we know.
The angels were not tempted. The angels knew what they were doing with full knowledge. The angels that did not fall away are called the elect angels.
Satan was in the presence of God and knew better. We are accountable to the amount of light we have and the angels knew everything we did not know. Adam had a little bit of revelation but not the whole complete story as far as we know.
The angels were not tempted. The angels knew what they were doing with full knowledge. The angels that did not fall away are called the elect angels.
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Get real, Z!
I described the CONTENT of your post, but I did not attack you personally. If I called you a name, then I would be guilty of an ad hominem. Please learn the difference between the two.
Your post confused and conflated the spiritual realm and the physical realm. Humans temporarily live in the physical realm, and angels permanently live in the spiritual realm, part of which hell, the realm of fallen angels, and unrepentant humans.
BTW your Mormon doctrines are quite easily defeated because there is no foundation laid for them in the 66 books of the Bible. (Yeah, we all know that you can take a Scripture out of its context, but in reality, doing so is merely a pretext.)
Bob Carabbio
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And THAT is the issue, of course.
I am not sure thatI think the Mormon poster is referring banjo playing. I've heard one of the punishments and torments in hell is you have to listen to banjo playing day in and day out.
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E Thrower II
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IF, I say IF, satan was capable of Godly sorrow unto repentance, he would be human possessing the indwelt Holy Spirit, and the answer would be yes. But since he is not capable, and not human, it's impossible.
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I agree Satan is not Lucifer. When you say "his [satan's] fall," are you referring to the verse in Revelation?
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Correction: Luke 10?
There is no physical realm of hell for angelic beings, yet: it is now a spiritual realm, an abyss of containment, Rev 20:3. For the devil and his angels, the punishment of eternal fire is still future: Rev 20:10.
The problem with repentance for the devil is that it is for God to grant it, and granting it is largely dependent on whether sins are committed in ignorance (1 Tim 1:13). The greater the degree of wilfulness, the less chance of God being willing to grant repentance. For this reason, the premise of this thread is misconceived. And for this reason too, repentance cannot be deferred to a future date, as per the parable of the virgins shows. Putting off repentance often has fatal consequences.
It is God alone who had mercy. God has mercy on whomever he wants. For satan, any chance to repent was lost long ago. For satan and his angels are doomed by scripture itself, so we can be absolutely certain that they will never be granted repentance.
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So he was perfect in heaven, and then sinned in heaven, and then was thrown out of heaven, as were some angels?
Is that your position?
The angel being who came to be known as satan and devil was given dominion over the Garden of Eden. He got jealous it said and wanted worship. thus he lied to Eve and became a rebel. Causing this sick system of things because Eve and Adam kicked God in the teeth. God who handed to them, life everlasting, never sick, never without, not aging like now and asked of them not to do 1 single thing. Eve believed the one who did nothing for them ever over God. So mortals asked for this, to know both good and bad and along with that came death. Gods kingdom will put it back to what God wants.
Rubbish
Rev 14:11
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
Gods justice scales makes eternal suffering an impossibility. He taught all his perfect justice= an eye for an eye= perfect balance on Gods justice scales--So for 70-100 years of an unrepented sinful life, God could not or would not punish one for trillions x trillions x trillions etc of never ending years of suffering. there is no balance in that scenario. The true living God set before all( Deut 30:19-LIFE or DEATH, both will be everlasting.
It was symbolic for this--As each new day dawns in Gods kingdom, those not allowed in miss each day, Miss each day of Gods love, it never ends. Likened to be an eternal suffering.
Only a sadist would create a literal eternal suffering. God is love, merciful, not the sadist being taught by blind guides that do not know him. From those i say--RUN.
So you're saying satan was originally a perfect angel in heaven?
And you're saying that, as a perfect angel in heaven, satan sinned and was cast out of heaven?
And now you're saying satan is also the serpent in Genesis?
Everyone knows that angel being called satan and devil after those Eden events, spoke through that serpent and lied to Eve. Rev 12:9, Rev 20:2)
Satan and his angels weren't cast out of heaven until the war in heaven=Rev 6-Rev 12 explains it. Thatwas1914 according to the Daniel prophecy--2520 years after the last king was removed from Jerusalem=607 bce + 2520=1914. And Rev 6:4--Peace will be taken from the earth=ww1
Isaiah 14:12-14 explains satans fall.
Satan is not an angel.
Satan is not the serpent.
Satan did not possess a serpent.
The serpent is not satan.
Why are you interpreting symbols in the book of Revelation literally?
Rev 6-12 says nothing about a literal supernatural being called satan. Symbols in the book of Revelation cannot be interpreted literally, otherwise they cease to be symbols.
Are you an Historicist?
No it doesn't.
Lucifer is not satan.
Calling God a sadist doesn't help you, for the basis of the doctrine of hell is that it is a state or condition that is voluntarily entered by man himself.
Nope. Just this one excerpt from you is wrong on so many levels.
1). Lucifer is not a fallen archangel.
2). Lucifer never had a place in heaven.
3). Angelic beings in heaven do not sin.
4). Angelic beings in heaven do not lose their place in heaven.
Completely backwards. It is impossible for angelic beings to sin.
Because there is no need for one.
So what? Scripture only ever speaks of angelic beings as being unswervingly obedient.
Besides that, how do you know one way or the other? Where does Scripture speak of their creation?
Contradiction anyone?
You remind me of another “word merchant” here at CARM. A lot of verbiage that proves absolutely nothing. You’re creating your own “systematic theology” here.
Do you believe these angelic beings we will rule over will ever sin against us and get thrown out of heaven somewhere down the road?
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