Okay.AHH. No, JAG, Strider is calling him/herself a clueless newbie for tagging me instead of you.
I misunderstood.
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Okay.AHH. No, JAG, Strider is calling him/herself a clueless newbie for tagging me instead of you.
That's great.Okay.
I misunderstood.
My apologies.
Thanks for helping me understand.
Best.
JAG
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No, it's my fault for not being clear.Okay.
I misunderstood.
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All is well.No, it's my fault for not being clear.
Good luck with that. We will continue to use empirical evidence and build rockets, medicines, bridges, and everything we have ever built. We will continue to use empirical evidence to understand DNA, black holes, Dark Matter, and the nature of everything we know to be real.Actually the ONLY way that something can be known to exist in reality is with and by a belief in reality, and without belief; NO truth or reality is knowable.
You also need reality itself to know, in order to have belief about it.Actually the ONLY way that something can be known to exist in reality is with and by a belief in reality, and without belief; NO truth or reality is knowable.
Here's objective evidence of God:The logical truth and reality of God.
If God didn't exist, what might explain these things do you think?Here's objective evidence of God:
1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.
If God didn't exist, neither would this evidence.
Coincidence.If God didn't exist, what might explain these things do you think?
Wrong. Worse, you know this is wrong and have refused to learn what evidence is.Here's objective evidence of God:
Completely unsupported. All it takes for your listed items to exist is for people to believe that Christianty is true.If God didn't exist, neither would this evidence.
But it would make sense if you were talking about a crucified Jewish preacher you wrongly believed to be a supernatural messiah."Before Christ" wouldn't make sense if, say, you were talking about a belief in Thor.
If Christianity was just a figment of imagination, would there be this much evidence, and containing so much variety?Completely unsupported. All it takes for your listed items to exist is for people to believe that Christianty is true.
Now add all the other evidence, and what do you have?But it would make sense if you were talking about a crucified Jewish preacher you wrongly believed to be a supernatural messiah.
This much? You have no evidence.If Christianity was just a figment of imagination, would there be this much evidence, and containing so much variety?
Zero plus zero stlll equals zero I'm afraid.Now add all the other evidence, and what do you have?
Yes, but Jesus existing, which I don't dispute, doesn't mean the stories about him are all true.Coincidence.
Of the most bizarre sort.
"Before Christ" wouldn't make sense if, say, you were talking about a belief in Thor.
Neither would Christmas or Easter.
Sorry ... I don't believe that.This much? You have no evidence.
Zero plus zero stlll equals zero I'm afraid.
Yes, but Jesus existing, which I don't dispute, doesn't mean the stories about him are all true.
Appealing to retrospective falsification is your prerogative. Just don't expect everyone to go along with it.Whatsisface said:Your list can only get you so far because there is the real possibility that the stories about Jesus are just that, stories that grew in the telling.
That is correct. I believe Allah was a real, genuine [fallen] angel that walked the earth at one time.Whatsisface said:Your point here could just as easily be made about Mohammed and Islam ...
Agreed.Here's objective evidence of God:
1. Time divided into BC and AD.
2. Organizations such as the Red Cross and Salvation Army.
3. Hospitals built by Christian organizations.
4. Beautiful Christian artwork, edifices, statuary and literature.
5. IN GOD WE TRUST on our coins and UNDER GOD in our pledge of allegiance.
6. The Ten Commandments and other literature displayed in public.
7. Christmas & Easter
8. Symbols on bumper stickers and flags.
9. Public debates in the name of Christianity.
10. Crosses and billboards erected to testify of Jesus Christ.
If God didn't exist, neither would this evidence.
OK, but then you are taking the things you list as evidence that the Bible is only true, but a whole bunch of things from the Muslim world (calenders, mosques, hospitals, music, countries calling themselves Muslim, etc) as evidence that the Koran is not true. I could say: objective evidence that Mohammed is the Prophet of God includes:That's correct.
There are myriads of stories about Jesus Christ that aren't true; from the Swoon Theory to He losing Himself in the crowd and someone else taking His place on the Cross, etc.
But those are lies, according to the Bible.Appealing to retrospective falsification is your prerogative. Just don't expect everyone to go along with it.That is correct. I believe Allah was a real, genuine [fallen] angel that walked the earth at one time.
But it's the veracity of the Bible that's in dispute, how do you know your favoured explanation as told in the Bible is the right one? It's possible Jesus died on the cross but stories of people seeing Jesus and the resurrection could still be just that, stories that grew in the telling that were later written down and became the Gospels. Do you deny this possibility?That's correct.
There are myriads of stories about Jesus Christ that aren't true; from the Swoon Theory to He losing Himself in the crowd and someone else taking His place on the Cross, etc.
But those are lies, according to the Bible.
I don't expect that to be honest. My point is though that the Gospels can't prove Jesus is the Son of God and there are other possibilities for why Christianity grew and has had such an effect on our culture. Again, that's why your list isn't strong evidence that Jesus was/is the Son of God.Appealing to retrospective falsification is your prerogative. Just don't expect everyone to go along with it.
Which misses the point. Thousands of millions believe Islam true, there is a huge cultural legacy from Islam as there is from Christianity. Muslims can point to a list of their own such as yours and claim the same as you do for yours. Is Islam true?That is correct. I believe Allah was a real, genuine [fallen] angel that walked the earth at one time.
Ditto for Thor, Zeus, and a myriad of other angels who paraded around, claiming to be gods.