ReverendRV
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Doug does a good job, though he's not a Calvinist; Lol...He most certainly did. But I'm sure Doug has an opinion. More of that iron sharpening iron stuff.
Doug does a good job, though he's not a Calvinist; Lol...He most certainly did. But I'm sure Doug has an opinion. More of that iron sharpening iron stuff.
Are you kidding, he's one of the coolest guys here. Did you see the song he wrote on my birthday?If you haven't met Tibiasdad/Doug yet, you will probably like him...
He might out-do us all...He most certainly did. But I'm sure Doug has an opinion. More of that iron sharpening iron stuff.
No Offense, but that might not be too difficult.He might out-do us all...
I am merely responding to Civic’s request for me to respond to his thread. @civic seems to be saying that Jesus was not forsaken by the Father, but Jesus, quoting Psalm 22 clearly says that his God has forsaken him.Good question. That's what we've been trying to figure out. But enough questions we would like you to thoroughly explain this. Feel free to use versus from both the Old Testament and the New. Plus all the biblical knowledge you've acquired over the years that will shed some light on this topic.
Not as a rule. Theories of the atonement are very overlapping and almost certainly included substitution to one degree or another. Penal Substitution in a uniquely Reformed take, and thus not adhered too by many Wesleyan thinkers. Substitution, yes, but in the sense of for the sake of, not penal/vicariously instead of.Do Wesleyans hold to Penal Substitutionary Atonement regarding the Substitution of the Wrath of God?
I'm sorry Doug, wasn't trying to give you a hard time. I just got excited to see you show up and have a set of fresh eyes on this topic. I'm definitely looking forward to read anything else you might post here. I'm sure this Civic invited You hear he knows you has some good information for us. And I may need my booster shot for "foot in mouth disease".I am merely responding to Civic’s request for me to respond to his thread. @civic seems to be saying that Jesus was not forsaken by the Father, but Jesus, quoting Psalm 22 clearly says that his God has forsaken him.
This is the first and obvious question that has to be asked given Civic’s argument!
Doug
One question DougI am merely responding to Civic’s request for me to respond to his thread. @civic seems to be saying that Jesus was not forsaken by the Father, but Jesus, quoting Psalm 22 clearly says that his God has forsaken him.
This is the first and obvious question that has to be asked given Civic’s argument!
Doug
I’m still waiting for anyone to address this post.Did I get you @civic ?
There would have been people there who saw the darkness the day Christ was crucified, and when they heard Peter quote the prophecy of Joel they would have known that the darkness was predicted long ago.
The day Christ was Crucified was the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord; right? A Day of the Wrath of God...
@Carbon
I realize why Civic never noticed it; because he's a Premillennial Dispensationalist. He said the Great and Terrible Day of the Lord is Future, and it may be; but it's also the Past. Civic says Jesus quoted Psalm 22 to make a point he's the Messiah; Peter quoted Joel to make a point too. Peter intended for those in the crowd to remember that fifty days earlier, the Prophecy of Joel was fulfilled by the Darkness at the Crucifixion. God's Wrath was poured out on Jesus that Day. This Knowledge is a main reason 3,000 people were Cut to the Heart!
Thanks for raising the point. @Predestined said he would read my Gospel Tract this morning with a cup of coffee. Time for me to drink a second cup...
Second cup?Thanks for raising the point. @Predestined said he would read my Gospel Tract this morning with a cup of coffee. Time for me to drink a second cup...
Of Coffee; not Wrath
I noticed that early on, Seth posted in support of PSA. I wonder if he did that, just to spite Civic, Lol...Second cup?
Yes me too.
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I addressed it in the OP but He felt forsaken as a human experiencing the suffereing and felt alone. And more importantly every Jew knew those words were directly from Psalm 22 which is why from my POV its a deceleration of His Messiah-ship and that it a Messianic Psalm that was being lived out before their very oyes in the greatest of details.My first question is, if Jesus wasn't forsaken by God, why did Jesus say he he had been forsaken?
Doug
Could be but like everything else he believes about Jesus and the bible as in this case his personal view on PSA is WRONG.I noticed that early on, Seth posted in support of PSA. I wonder if he did that, just to spite Civic, Lol...
I just poured 2 different cups of coffee. I roast my own coffee and thinking about starting a small Artisan Roastery.Second cup?
Yes me too.
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When you do, I'll buy some...I just poured 2 different cups of coffee. I roast my own coffee and thinking about starting a small Artisan Roastery.
That sounds like a good idea. You can park your "Jesus RV" In front and pass out your gospel tracts to people walking by. You can give them a coupon for a free cup of coffee to get the conversation going.When you do, I'll buy some...
Leaning heavy in any direction yet?Not yet where is @ReverendRV when you need him
I haven’t locked myself into any particular view yet but I will work on it with the OP in mind.
What would you enjoy my nice sweet delicious cup of Joe or a cup of Gods bitter wrath ?That sounds like a good idea. You can park your "Jesus RV" In front and pass out your gospel tracts to people walking by. You can give them a coupon for a free cup of coffee to get the conversation going.